Is It Really Worth It?

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क्या यह वास्तव में इस लायक है?
- पैटी दे लोसा

इस बात को स्वीकार करना मेरे लिए बहुत कठिन है कि मै, मेरे ही अस्तित्व के कई रूपों कि युध्भूमि होती हूँ, और मेरे ये विभिन्न रूप एक - दूसरे के विरुद्ध कार्य करते हैं। इतना विभाजित महसूस करने से बचने का क्या कोई उपचार है? कृष्णमूर्तिजी कहते हैं " विभाजन में असुरक्षा है, युद्ध में अनिश्चित्ता है। पर जब मन विभाजन के भयस्थानो को साफ़-साफ़ देख सकता है - बौद्धिकता से नहीं, भावनात्मकता से नहीं, पर वास्तव में - तब एकदम अलग ही प्रकार का कर्म होता है। वह नया कर्म, हाँ या ना के जिस स्तर पर हम जीते हैं से ऊपर होता है और एक नया दृष्टिकोण हमें उस तक पहुँचने का रास्ता ढूंढने में मदद कर सकता है। कार्ल जुंग कि वह अवधारणा जिसका मरियन वूडमन प्रायः उल्लेख करती हैं, सुझाता है ​के हम उस तक "विरोध से उत्पन्न हुए तनाव को सँभालते" हुए पहुँच सकते हैं। अगर हम किसी परिस्तिथि में कोई एक पक्ष लेने का चुम्बकीय आकर्षण इतनी देर तक रोक पाएं के हम दोनों पक्षो को स्वीकार कर सकें, चाहे यह प्रक्रिया कितनी ही कष्टदायक क्यूँ न हो, हम विभाजन से ऊपर उठते हैं बजाए के उस में बंद होने के।

एक दिन मै थकी हुई और और अनमनी सी उठी, सुबह के क्रिया-कलापों के दौरान हल्का सा सर दर्द हो रहा था, दोपहर को अचानक मुझे याद आया के मैंने पिछली रात को निष्चय किया था कि मै सुबह के नाश्ते के बाद पार्क जानूंगी। " बिलकुल समय नहीं है ", मैंने सोचा, " और मुझे मन भी नहीं हो रहा ।" मैंने अपने आप को ऐसा कहते हुए पहले कितनी बार सुना है! मेरे प्रतिरोध के बावजूद, दोपहर के भोजन से पहले, लेखन छोड़ कर और अपने आप से बड़बड़ाते हुए के टयलेनोल कि एक गोली से मुझे आराम मिल सकता है, मैं पार्क कि तरफ चलने लगी, आपने आप से वादा करते हुए कि एक छोटा चक्कर लगा के जल्दी ही वापस आ जाऊँगी।

दरवाज़े से बहार निकलते ही, मेरे आशचर्य के बीच, मुझे तुरंत ही अच्छा मेहसूस होने लगा, पार्क तक पहुँचते - पहुँचते तो मेरा सर दर्द भी गायब हो गया था। जल्दी ही मै वसंत कि ठंडक मैं एक बेंच पर बैठी थी, सूरज कि रौशनी में नहाते हुए पेड़ों और गाते हुए पक्षियों से घिरी हुई। मैंने अपनी आत्मा को गाते हुए सुना। इस परिवर्तन से चकित, मैंने आपने आप से पूछा : यहाँ आना इतना मुश्किल क्यूँ था ? मुझे में कौन था जिसे लगा के उदास रहना या कंप्यूटर पे लिखते हुए कई घंटे गुज़ारना ज़यादा ज़रूरी था ? मुझे में क्या उस बात का विरोध करता है जिसकी मेरे दूसरे हिस्से को बहुत ज़यादा जरुरत है ? क्या मेरे दिमाग के हित मेरे ह्रदय और मेरे शारीर पर नियंत्रण चाहते हैं ?…

अगली बार जब मै पार्क में जाने का विरोध करती, तब मै अपने " कीचड़ में फसे हुए " हिस्से से संवाद करना शुरू करती। " क्यूँ इतना ज़िद्दी इंकार ? समस्य क्या है ?" मैंने अपने आप से पूछा। अंतर कि आवाज़ ने, आह के साथ प्रतिउत्तर दिया, " क्या यह वास्तव में इस लायक है?" " किस लायक ?" मैंने पूछा। तब मेरे अस्तित्व के एक दूसरे हिस्से कि गहराई से एक नई आवाज़ ने इस फरयादी बातचीत को रोका और आश्चर्य से कहा, " जितना समय उस में लगता है, उतना समय लगाने लायक !"

मुझ में बसे हुए लेखक और समस्याओं का हल करने वाले के आलावा कोई है जिसे मेरे समय कि जरुरत है पर उसे पर्याप्त समय मिल नहीं पा रहा। उस छोटे से आतंरिक संवाद ने मुझे ये देखने में मदद कि, के मै जो कुछ भी करना चाहती हूँ, उस कारण से मै अपने गहरे अस्तित्व को समय नहीं दे पा रही थी, इस क्षण कि जागरूकता में मेरे अपने विस्तार के लिए.…
वर्त्तमान में वापसी मुझे उन चीज़ों कि सराहना करने का मौका देती है, जिनकी हम बहुत व्यस्त होने के कारण उपेक्षा करते हैं: हमारे जीवन का वर्त्तमान काल, जो अपने आप के और बाकि विश्व के नाए अनुभव कराता है। अगर हम मना कर दें, तो हमारा संपर्क टूट जाता है, और दुःख कि बात है के हमें पता भी नहीं चलता के हमने क्या खोया है। जब हम शांत रह कर ध्यान से अपने अंदर कि आवाज़ों को सुन्ना पसंद करते हैं, हम किसी और को हमारा अस्तित्वा भरने कि जगह देते हैं उस " मुझे सब पता है " वाले अहंकार से अलग। पर कर्तव्यों से घिरे हुए हम नयी सम्भावनाओं का स्वागत नहीं करते। जैसे बाइबिल मै वर्णित जेकब कि तरह हम भी अपने ही फरिश्ते से लड़ते हैं और उसे हारने कि कोशिश करते हैं।

आत्म निरक्षण के लिए प्रश्न :
अपने गहरे अस्तित्व के लिए समय निकाल ने से आप क्या समझते हैं ?
विभाजन के खतरों को देखने से उत्पन्न होने वाले एक-दम ही नए कर्म से आप कैसे जुड़ते हैं?
क्या आप एक निजी अनुभव हमारे साथ बाँट सके हैं, जब ऐसा कोई कर्म आपके जीवन में हुआ हो?
Seed Questions for Reflection

What does allowing time for your deeper self mean to you? How do you relate to the notion of a totally different kind of action emerging from seeing the danger of division very clearly? Can you share a personal story of a time when such an action emerged in your life?

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18 Past Reflections
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lolablue
Feb 20, 2026
I think Krishnamurti wants you to STOP intellectualizing things, let it all go out the window and observe what IS while being detached emotionally and judgment free. Reason can help create the frame of reality you exist in like the frame where I know that I am more than my body, I know that emotions are like clouds passing by and the sky is (the I AM) which IS and remains always the same and so on. David Bohm's (the physicist) conversations with Krishnamurti are a great read. The right actions comes from reconciling the two poles, yes & no while intention and attention are focused on being present. I do not believe that such a pursuit allows for anything but, deeper-self work. Everything one does has to be at the service of knowing and serving the deeper self. Learning from the friction struggles bring between inner world and outter must become why one wakes up in the morning, why one breaths, why one is engaging, why one is learning to become meek and accept things as they are, and ... View full comment
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vasile
Dec 20, 2014

 Krishnamurti would have replied  - "is that part Different from you?  are you Different from that 'deeper-self' ? or that 'deeper self' IS YOU ?  it's not different from you who is observing.  This is very important because our conditioning is that thought comes along and creates a duality, an observer and creates another one who is being observed.

GA
Nov 20, 2013

  My answer is an unequivocal YES.
The question arises because most of us live in a closed space called tradition, culture, home, comfort zone etc. We sometimes venture out of this space but carry our protective space suit, our own psychological bubble while interacting with the world. From the safety of our home we sometimes look at the world outside through a narrow window. Naturally we have a very distorted view of the world and our place in it. We do not understand the true significance and worth of much that we see. Our knowledge is based on a bit of observation and a lot of conjecture. From this position most options would appear to be worthless.
Let us drop the protective suit and stand naked in front of our mother, the world.

GA
Nov 20, 2013

 My answer is an unequivocal YES.
The question arises because most of us live in a closed space called tradition, culture, home, comfort zone etc. We sometimes venture out of this space but carry our protective space suit, our own psychological bubble while interacting with the world. From the safety of our home we sometimes look at the world outside through a narrow window. Naturally we have a very distorted view of the world and our place in it. We do not understand the true significance and worth of much that we see. Our knowledge is based on a bit of observation and a lot of conjecture. From this position most options would appear to be worthless.
Let us drop the protective suit and stand naked in front of our mother, the world.

MI
Mish Nov 20, 2013

 Well said!

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a Nov 20, 2013

 Wow!  You nailed it!  
God did not create this protective shell . . . we did and continue to do!
Praying Always!

Interesting, too, Jesus, is just a breath away!  I have NO difficulty getting to Him.  (If anyone should have need for secret service protection, it would be Him.)  Jesus has nothing to lose, but everything to gain, in stepping out into the world.

Gotta go . . . my dog wants to take me for a walk!

THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS!

JB
JoAnn Baker Paul Nov 22, 2013

 Yes, yes yes Ganoba. Grateful for your words. As more of us, one by one "drops the protective suit" more and more of the time as a regular living practice - we inspire others to do the same. Living the Change one person at a time :)

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Ravi
Nov 19, 2013

 I often forget and have to remind myself that THE MORE TIME SPENT with something or someone (your child, your spouse, your inner life...) the more that relationship grows. And how often I discount building that relationship with self. Or assume it's not as important as the other relationships in my life or all the "busyness".

MI
Nov 19, 2013

 Typo in my post..... ""TOUCH". Not ouch.  :)))))))))

JK
Joanna kaser Nov 19, 2013

 How true!
for several years I have been  doing Voice Dialog with clients and myself. I was a  long time student of Hal and Sidra Stone who are the originators of this technique.
For me it is the way home to my authentic self.  I listen to both voices , hold the tension between them  and come to an awareness of ,in the present moment ,which voice I want  most to listen to.
This brings me to a state of joy.
It is one of most effective techniques to bring us to eliminate confusion about our choices We then are able to tune in to which feels better and has the highest vibration. it is a wonderful way to guide clients  to stay in the present moment.

Thanks for your teaching,
Joanna kaser M.S. W.
Integrative Spiritual Counselor

MI
Nov 19, 2013

 I think we get stuck in our "routines" & grow stale with spontaneous "get in ouch with me" times.

MI
Mish Nov 19, 2013

 Typo in my post..... "TOUCH" not ouch!!  :))

ME
Me Nov 19, 2013

 Cute!

AJ
Nov 17, 2013
 I like to do an annual retreat to support, pray with and to be near one I hold dear.  I look forward to this three day period of prayer, silence and presence each summer. The "division" (and hurt) I currently feel stems from an experience I had this past summer while retreating there.  My husband often warns me NOT to love people too much (as my Lord directs me) saying, men might misunderstand your intention in it.  Well it happened this past summer, the retreat house director's husband, upon my arrival to retreat, kissed me in a way only my husband has ever kissed me.  I made a mental note, "keep away from him"! In the second day there, while the others were in chapel, (I was outside alone, working on art pieces the women made just earlier) and this same gentleman, (who was inappropriate just the day before) pulled up in a pick up truck to invite me in. Is it really worth it? My thought now is, "I cannot return" I will continue to listen to God, however. &nb... View full comment
DD
Nov 17, 2013
Allowing time for my deeper self means allowing time for what I really want and am interested in, and not ignore or suppress it.  It's easy to let what I really want be dominated by busy-ness or obligation, that is, by what I think I have to do or should do.  Granted, there are situations where it is important to postpone what I really want, but that's dangerous as the want or insight or inspiration of my deeper self can pass quickly and even be lost, like a dream.  The division between the want of my deeper self and the want of my thinking is dangerous in that I am tempted to follow my thinking and often do follow it, and if it's not incorporating the yearning of my deeper self, I pull away from my deeper self and can lose that self.  Seeing that danger results in action that is more faithful to my deeper self.  I've followed my thinking and neglected my deeper self many times.  Fortunately the opportunities to choose deeper self continue in every moment... View full comment
CP
Nov 15, 2013
 Excellent. Thanks for the opportunity to respond. It seems  that I frequently see things intellectually. I intellectually believe I am one with everyone and everything although I have not experienced that in the way Krishnamurti is alluding to. Paradoxically, not only do I see myself as one with everyone and everything, I also notice I am like 1000 different people. What has been very helpful for me is to notice what Sharon Begley, author of  "Train Your Mind,Change Your Brain" said with a psychiatrist named Schwartz when they wrote: "Through mindfulness you can stand outside your own mind is if you are watching what is happening to another person rather than experiencing it yourself… Mindfulness requires direct willful effort, and the ability to forge those practicing it to observe their sensations and thoughts with a calm clarity of an external witness… One views his thoughts, feelings, and expectations much as a scientist views experimental data &... View full comment
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Sarada Nov 19, 2013

 Great reminder!! Thank you:)

CP
conrad P. Pritscher Nov 20, 2013

 You are most welcome Sarada.