When I Say I Know You

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When I say I know you, I mean I knew you yesterday. I do not know you actually now. All I know is my image of you. That image is put together by what you have said in praise of me or to insult me, what you have done to me - it is put together by all the memories I have of you - and your image of me is put together in the same way, and it is those images which have relationship and which prevent us from really communing with each other.

Two people who have lived together for a long time have an image of each other which prevents them from really being in relationship. If we understand relationship we can co-operate but co-operation cannot possibly exist through images, through symbols, through ideological conceptions. Only when we understand the true relationship between each other is there a possibility of love, and love is denied when we have images. Therefore it is important to understand, not intellectually but actually in your daily life, how you have built images about your wife, your husband, your neighbor, your child, your country, your leaders, your politicians, your gods - you have nothing but images.

These images create the space between you and what you observe and in that space there is conflict, so what we are going to find out now together is whether it is possible to be free of the space we create, not only outside ourselves but in ourselves, the space which divides people in all their relationships.

Now the very attention you give to a problem is the energy that solves that problem. When you give your complete attention - I mean with everything in you - there is no observer at all. There is only the state of attention which is total energy, and that total energy is the highest form of intelligence. Naturally that state of mind must be completely silent and that silence, that stillness, comes when there is total attention, not disciplined stillness. That total silence in which there is neither the observer nor the thing observed is the highest form of a religious mind. But what takes place in that state cannot be put into words because what is said in words is not the fact. To find out for yourself you have to go through it.

Every problem is related to every other problem so that if you can solve one problem completely - it does not matter what it is - you will see that you are able to meet all other problems easily and resolve them. We are talking, of course, of psychological problems. We have already seen that a problem exists only in time, that is when we meet the issue incompletely. So not only must we be aware of the nature and structure of the problem and see it completely, but meet it as it arises and resolve it immediately so that it does not take root in the mind. If one allows a problem to endure for a month or a day, or even for a few minutes, it distorts the mind. So is it possible to meet a problem immediately without any distortion and be immediately, completely, free of it and not allow a memory, a scratch on the mind, to remain? These memories are the images we carry about with us and it is these images which meet this extraordinary thing called life and therefore there is a contradiction and hence conflict. Life is very real - life is not an abstraction - and when you meet it with images there are problems.

Is it possible to meet every issue without this space-time interval, without the gap between oneself and the thing of which one is afraid? It is possible only when the observer has no continuity -- the observer who is the builder of the image, the observer who is a collection of memories and ideas, who is a bundle of abstractions.

When you look at the stars there is you who are looking at the stars in the sky; the sky is flooded with brilliant stars, there is cool air, and there is you, the observer, the experiencer, the thinker, you with your aching heart, you, the center, creating space. You will never understand about the space between yourself and the stars, yourself and your wife or husband, or friend, because you have never looked without the image, and that is why you do not know what beauty is or what love is. You talk about it, you write about it, but you have never known it except perhaps at rare intervals of total self-abandonment. So long as there is a center creating space around itself there is neither love nor beauty.

When there is no center and no circumference then there is love. And when you love you are beauty.

Seed Questions for Reflection

How do you relate to the notion that 'so long as there is a center creating space around itself, there is neither love nor beauty'? Can you share a personal story of a time when you entered a state of attention where there was neither the observer nor the thing observed? What helps you look without an image?

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toos elhorst
Mar 16, 2024
het is fantastisch al dit te lezen
GU
Dec 8, 2021
Decades ago read JK and keep going back. Though extremely intrigued by something being pointed it, the precise taste of it has been very rarely experienced. A sudden, tectonic shift in perception seems to be called for , a seeing of the (psychological) creation of "me" which is so deeply entrenched and has as concrete a reality as the body . Alas, JK's words themselves, also become just another fuel for creation of an image of another state to be desired. What gives hope are the momentary glimpses of actually being in a state of detached observation even while being in action . A persistent mindfulness is what is called for which aids to weakening the automatic responses to life situations. The word "love" is itself the cause for an image. JK has experienced something which he calls "love" . But unless the same state comes to another , it will remain an image
NA
Dec 7, 2021
This is a very interesting package. I would go so far as to saying it is mostly a mental, intellectual and analytics perspective. There is a new perspective we need to potentially insert in this discussion - a shift - Thinking to feeling, analysis of the mind to synthesis of the heart. The ultimate destination for pure and unconditional love is always said to be experienced when one BECOMES love itself. In such a state, one does not think or even consider roles of observer, experiencer, thinker etc., You are part of a being and get engulfed into the very essence of love. My personal experience is as long as we give 'love' a definition between just two individuals or a few individuals, we will discuss a limited perspective . It is here that this idea of circumference, boundary etc., In other words, expansive. It is in this state of existence that love prevails and grows. Coming to the next point of discussion about attention and total energy, a simple way to practice it into act... View full comment
KC
Dec 7, 2021
I think “no center”, center=ego. I think it is also asking us to be vulnerable and look at life as infinite.
KK
Dec 7, 2021
This is what is meant (to me) by being in the present moment..I see children living in the moment...and I agree that our "images"block us from the present.ie what is actually happening or being said...and so I try very hard to remember this..."what is actually being said?" "what am I actually seeing?" I am an artist and in order to capture what I am looking at I NEED to be in the moment or I will miss the miracle...these are my random thoughts...
DD
Dec 5, 2021
We do a lot of relating image to image, not person to person. I do believe love is denied when we relate images. I think Krisnamurti is referring to the center as the real self, and I create space around my self by having images of myself and of the other. When images are relating rather than real persons there is neither real love nor beauty. As far as I know, there are times in relating that I am relating how I am and from how I am, and I am relating to the real other and not to an image that I or the other is creating. During those moments there is neither the observer nor what is being observed in that there is simply real to real relating and meeting. That is intimacy that makes life worthwhile. What helps me look without an image is awareness of image creating and having some ability to avoid images and relate real un-imaged me with real un-imaged other. It is an ability that I continue to foster.
JA
Dec 4, 2021
How do we see ourselves and others in relationship without the psychological lenses of the past and the future, the images of myself and others, is a challenge for realizing love and beauty. If I view myself and others with the blinders of the past and future, there is neither love nor beauty. Love and beauty has no dividing lines within me and without me. I call it pure beauty and pure love or Oneness. And that indeed is the art of living. When I am present in the present moment I expereince Oneness with nature and the people around me and with me. This kind of presence is beyond striving and stuggling. In that way, it is effortless. It is natural. An image of myself and the other is time and space bound. It does not exist beyond time and space. It is bound by time and space. When my mind is still and quiet, I see myself and the other clearly, like the sky without self-created clouds. And that is real freedom from the known, freedom from projections, freedom from the inner shadows. Ma... View full comment