Tania: And if you do every day this beautiful dyadic practice, which is very safe, nobody will give you some advice or something, it's not about discussing, it's just someone listening to you with an open heart, you start trusting people again, right? And so I really love this partner-based dyadic practice format, and that's the one I'm focusing on bringing into society now, right? Into schools, into the healthcare system, into... I even did one in a company with Lufthansa, a pilot, because most of the time, we have our problems in relationships or in interactions, right?

We are social beings. And so this intersubjective practice is very strong. And it opens automatically the heart. If you do it correctly, no?

If you're not transgressing the rules. It just opens the heart without doing anything.

Ari: So when you say dyadic practice, is that a repeating question you're doing where each person says something over and over again and the other person answers it? Could you just be more specific, what does that mean, dyadic practice?

Tania: I could walk you through, for example, one of the basic affect guides. There are different.

Ari: Yeah.

Tania: Yeah, they're different, but I'm not doing it because 13 minutes, but I'm just walking you through. So, imagine we would be coupled together in a dyadic practice. I would call you either through the app or the phone, and we're like, Hi Ari, hi Tania, and I would be… Okay, Ari, so it's your turn today. I'll ask the question and listen.

Tell me a situation of the last day, because we do it every day, where you felt some difficult emotion, how did it feel in your body? How did your body feel this emotion? It's not about the concept of stress, but how did your body feel, right? So then you're exploring two and a half minutes.

How did stress in this particular situation today feel in my body? What did it do to me? After two and a half minutes, gong, and then we switch. I say, thank you, thank you, and now tell me a situation and explore gratitude.

So, where you felt gratitude, and how did gratitude feel in your body? Gong, so you have two and a half minutes to basically explore loudly, in a meditation. A situation you were grateful for, and how did it feel in your body? So it's not about the situation, it's about your feeling, and exploring it, and sharing it.

After then, we switch roles, and we always have a minute of silence at the beginning, in the middle, and the end, right? There's always a minute of silence. So then it's my turn, then you are asking me the same question. Tania, tell me a situation where you had a difficult emotion.

So it's like we pass on our difficult emotion and gratitude, because gratitude... we always want to end a diet with a resilient, positive resource, right? Not with the difficult emotion and the grief. And this sounds very easy and simple, it is.

But being in the body is not. Really talking from the body experience and not the conceptual mind is not. And this is why we have a lot of coaching sessions. The first 8 weeks when you do an MBSR course, right?

You do your driving license and diets. We are coaching you, empathic listening, compassionate listening, the difference, because the person who is listening is actively training its listening capacities. Right? You are listening either empathically or compassionately.

So even though you are silent and never saying anything, you are still actively practicing something, right? And so we are having one and a half hour Zoom coaching sessions for eight weeks with certain topics. And what we're also looking at is diets, and I think mindfulness practice doesn't bring that so much alive. Is social patterns, so do you have a tendency, if there's someone listening, you are in kind of an intersubjective space, to be the clown?

Or to please the other, or to censor, perhaps not really sharing such nasty emotion, because you would feel ashamed, also. We're also practicing to become conscious of your social conditioning. On your social patterns with others. And so it can go very, very deep, right?

Because this is the stuff of everyday life. We are interacting with people.