Speaker B: But I believe, for instance, I trust in universal reciprocity, right? The idea that if I give something without expecting anything else, there's an invisible feedback channel, that I'm gonna get that or even more back in ways that I don't expect, when I don't expect them, and forms that are completely unimaginable. And sometimes those forms are just gratitude. So generosity has a feedback channel of gratitude, which is more powerful than money.

In fact, I have the theory that probably money, well, in its origin was a form of—before it was actual coins, actual money, the origins of money have to do with gratitude, right? This spontaneous sense of reciprocity that emerges in the form of gratitude. And then all of a sudden, we say, no, no, that's not enough. That's not enough.

I want something physical, right? And then money becomes a replacement for gratitude. And that's one of the problems of our society. We don't understand money as gratitude.

If we understood money as gratitude, and all of a sudden philanthropy becomes the new economy, right? So I think our society is at this turning point.