Nipun: As we transition to listener questions, and Cynthia, we want to do a little meditation, but I just want to share this closing thought and get your confirmation around it. So, in India, post-Gandhi. His successor was a guy named Vinoba Bhave. He walked from village to village, and he did this remarkable land distribution movement.

But he would say something very interesting. He would say, there are four kinds of people. The one who just see the bad in others, second, who see the good and the bad, so they're sort of the judge, and they say, look, yeah, I'm smarter than this guy, I can see that there's some good there, too. And then he says, third, who just see the good and focus primarily on the good.

And fourth is the category of people that not just focus on the good, but amplify the good.

Rollin McCraty: But from the lens of what you're saying, it actually makes a whole lot of sense.

Nipun: If you are looking at assets, if you are looking at strengths, if you are in that hard coherence in yourself. That allows you and your entire apparatus, starting with your conductor and your entire apparatus, to be a lot more stable. That allows that stability to interconnect with other people's stability, and that then has these cascading network effects in the world, where you're just completely amplifying a lot of good. And this is not even getting into the action part of what you do, but this is just going to be infinitely stronger than you being motivated in some way to just move, use a hammer to try to create change.

Rollin McCraty: Oh, well said. I mean, I'll quote you on that. That was great.

Nipun: This is a guy named Vinova, and it's amazing to know he didn't have science. He was just saying it as a spiritual truth. But from hearing you today, it just kind of all clicks together, right? So I'm happy to hear that Vinova got from Roland.

Rollin McCraty: Yeah, and I think it would be probably important to mention that along that journey, once we really started to understand these internal rhythms and coherence and the importance of it. That's what allowed us to start developing techniques that allow people to make that shift into coherence in the moment. When you're getting triggered, to pause, shift, and then that's what led to the invention of the HRV biofeedback technology. And this has allowed us to go… because the conversation we're having, a lot of people would probably perceive as a very spiritual conversation.

Right? But, which it is, but at the same time, especially with the technology. That's allowed us to move into other circles, like law enforcement. How do we teach police officers to be able to maintain their composure in the midst of the chaos, so they don't do dumb things?

Like shoot people unnecessarily, right? Or, so a lot of… we've done a lot of work in those kind of circles, and a lot of really neat transformational stories are coming out of this. So it's given us a way to meet people where they're at.