Nipun: Prior to this call, we had sent out one of your articles, and the title was, "What Are You Reading? The Field?" And you were really framing the heart as the orchestrator, the conductor of everything that's going on in our experience. And that this is a conductor not just for ourselves, but the boundaries between us and others really start to blur, that what's happening inside you doesn't just stay contained by your skin, right? It's actually just effortlessly pouring out.

And this has very tremendous implications of going from me to we, as we like to say. So, can you share a bit more about that sense of what we are actually constantly broadcasting to the field, and how that connects with coherence? I'm guessing the more coherent you are, the more you're broadcasting, or the deeper you're broadcasting, or does it have an effect even?

Rollin McCraty: Well, okay, not exactly, Nathan. Alright, back to the water experiment, right? The glass of water, because that's kind of what started that whole line of inquiry. When we put electrodes on the body, say, across the chest to measure the electrocardiogram, or on a person's head to measure the electroencephalograph, brain waves.

It's called Electro for a reason. You're literally measuring electricity. So what those electrodes are measuring is current flow. That's all they measure.

A little flow of electrical currents. That's why you get the big bump in the heart on the electrocardiogram, that's the voltage that you're seeing there. So when you measure the heart, or the electrocardiogram, you're measuring in millivolts. In the brain, you're measuring in microvolts.

It's an order of magnitude, 100 times difference in voltage. So the heart's the big player, electrically speaking. Now, this is Science 101, or Physics 101. Whenever you have a flow of electrical current, whether that's the wires going through your house or the heartbeat, You create a magnetic field.

Now, the electrodes don't see that. They just measure current flow. That's where you need a different instrument to see the field that's generated by that flow of current and magnetic field, and those are called magnetometers. That's what we were talking about earlier.

Well, this is where my previous career as a communication engineer came in handy. I used to work for Motorola in that respect. So, the magnetic fields go through things. Right?

I mean, that's why your cell phone works indoors. Right? You can even be in an elevator and make a cell phone call. Alright, so electric fields and magnetic fields are quite different.

It's relatively easy to block electric fields, not magnetic fields, they go through things. And so we use all, pretty much all of our communication technologies based on this, right? We use these fields to carry information. So if it's your phone, it's your voice, or your text message, whatever.

Is carrying that information. Well, we're the... Nature beat us to all this. I mean, we work the same way, so we were able to take a magnetometer once we got onto measuring the magnetic field.

So you can put a sensor out here, measure the field, and then we use the approach. Basically, this is going back to still in the 90s, showing that that field, the heart's field, is carrying information. Certainly about our emotional states. That was, we were able to verify, and it's all published.

As well, probably a lot more, right? That explains a lot of other neat capacities that some people have. But for sure, emotional state information. So we actually, back then, wired up people to, and you could have, you can actually do real-time feedback, where you're seeing the, what I call vibrational information patterns being carried by the field.

So you do real-time spectral analysis. And you can actually sit there and shift your emotional states, really feel love for someone and see the patterns just become beautifully more coherent in the field. Or drum up some frustration and see them become very, very different. And we were able to basically show that our—well, first of all, let me state, Napoleon, there's a mathematical relationship between the heart rhythm, the HRV patterns, coherent or incoherent, and the information, the structure of the information patterns being broadcast by the field.

So what this means is what we feel inside doesn't stop at the skin. We are broadcasting this in a very real, measurable way. So that was pretty cool, and I was shocked that nobody had ever done this before. It was really easy to do.