Rollin McCraty: But at the same time, I've had a lot of surprises in the research journey. That I would never have predicted, actually, and many times got wrong. But with that being one of them. And the short version of that, as we were, at that time.

You might have met Bill Tiller, William Tiller. He was a pretty famous scientist, head of material science at Stanford University, and he was drawn to our work and doing a lot of work here, so he was an expert in crystallization, these types of things, kind of one of the founders of Silicon Valley and the semiconductor industry, actually. Anyway, so we were doing some experiments with water, and we accidentally discovered that if we put an electrode in water, it would, long story short, be an incredible amplifier of very weak, small, or very small electromagnetic fields that become greatly amplified. So this was the experiments we were doing with water memory, intention, and things like this.

And then they said, wow, that's not supposed to happen. And Dr. Tiller, one of the world's experts on this, said, this isn't supposed to happen. Right?

It's impossible. So we brought him back in, said, okay, here's the experiment, Bell, Dr. Tiller. Okay, so he spent months coming up with mathematical models and actually ended up explaining why this did happen, that shouldn't happen.

But then that led to the idea, well, if water's amplifying these very weak magnetic signals, because we already knew that the heart radiates a magnetic field external to the body. Well, what if we put an electrode in a glass of water on a bench over here? Can we detect a person's heartbeat showing up in that? So we tried that, and it was incredibly easy to do, actually, and we did, we can see it.

So then that led to, well, wait a minute. I mean, it's kind of a… in hindsight, it's kind of silly, the backwards way we got into this. Then realizing that, well, we're big bags of water, basically. So, our whole physical system must be amplifying signals from these magnetic signals from other people, the environment, and so on.

So then that led to a whole line of research I ended up now calling energetic sensitivity and energetic communication. We were able to show that, for example, if we're in a room together, our brain waves are literally synchronized with other people's heartbeats, and all these kinds of things. I kind of started that, I think, if I remember right. It's back in the mid-'90s.

We ended up publishing a paper in one of Carl Preram's journals called "The Electricity of Touch," because it kind of started by what happens when people shake hands or touch. There's this profound electrical communication that goes on between people, in synchronization. So then we started backing that up, non-contact, and experiments with 5 feet of people, 5 feet apart, and saw heart-brain synchronization between them, and…