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Clare Dubois: Toward a New Nature-Based Feminine Consciousness

Guest: Clare Dubois
Host: Kozo Hattori
Moderator: Angela Montano

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Today our guest speaker is none other than Clare Dubois, someone who really embodies today's theme of 'toward a new nature based feminine consciousness'. Thank you for joining today's call. Let's start with a minute of silence to anchor ourselves.

Welcome again to our weekly Awakin Call. Thank you for that beautiful moment of silence. Today we're in conversation with Clare Dubois. Here's how the call works. In a few minutes our moderator, Angela Montano, will engage in a deep dialogue with our speaker and by the top of the hour, we'll roll into Q&A and a circle of sharing, where we invite all your reflections and questions. I've opened up the queue right now so at any point you can hit *6 on your phone and you'll be prompted when it's your turn to speak. You can also e-mail us at

Today we have the pleasure of a remarkable moderator, Angela Montano. To give you some context, Angela created a website called Rethink Prayer with the purpose of expanding connection, love and healing in the world by encouraging people to engage in transformative
practice of prayer.

So, Angela since you're rethinking prayer and bringing prayer into this world, I was wondering if you could start us off with a prayer.

Angela: I would be so honored to. So, let us just begin by focusing our attention on our breath. If you're somewhere that you can close your eyes, I think of my eyelids as just little shades to just be turned those down, we just close those to the outer world and we turn within, we turn within to the breath. How deeply grateful I am to accept that I'm more than I "think I am", that you are more than you think you are, that we are more than we take ourselves to be, we're more than we think we are. And so, from this connection, to a greater, broader love that each of us has the capacity to open to, I give such great thanks for this opportunity to be with Clare this morning, to be with each of you, for us to be together. I have something extraordinary occurs in togetherness and I accept that this call is deeply and powerfully blessed, that I, that Kozo, that Clare, that all of us listening, we open to love in some new and dynamic way. I call this force through the presence and the power of our connection. I accept that that which is to be said is said in what is to be heard is really heard with our inner ear, what is to be released is released and that which is to be embraced is embraced. This is what I accept through love itself. In gratitude, I release this word I release it to the universe, to the one song that life is, so be it, so be it and it is. Amen. Amen. Amen.

Thank you so much, Kozo, for that opportunity to pray and I'm so excited to begin this wonderful dialogue with this magnificent woman, Clare Dubois. I've been on fire all morning. I've been like almost crawling out of my skin wanting to get grounded and the reason I'm so excited as I know the possibility of what can transpire in an Awakin Circle like this We're just dropping the, you know, stone in the pond, in the ripple effects occur and there is no limit to walk and transform as we come together for the purpose of wholeness, for the purpose of revealing the wholeness that life is. So just to share with you a little bit about Clare, if you are new to her as I have been and I wonder like how have I not known about Clare Dubois until I got scheduled to do this interview.

I want everyone in the whole world to know about her and her work because already she's done something amazing for me, just in researching her work in preparation for this interview and what she's done, is she's made something simple for me and she's made something understandable out of what I have felt which is just so much, oh, I don't know what to say, confusion and what do I do to help and what she's done is she's put trees and women together, and she's put the planting of trees together with the idea of empowering women and more specifically through her organization and you can go on the web to find out more
about her She's put together the reforest of the tropics with reinstating a feminine leadership that is based on a deep connection to nature. And so you have these very powerful ideas, I mean it makes sense doesn't it, that planting of trees and reforesting the rain trough at the tropics and women coming into leadership, what an extraordinary, dynamic, combustible idea.

So, the work that has been done is extraordinary and I really encourage everyone to visit her website to just learn more and more about what is happening as a result of this vision but before doing that I want us to hear from Clare herself as to how this mission and vision and set of values came forward, how she is strategizing to accomplish the restoration of these forests that she's committed to doing on the planet and I first want to just share as Kozo and Clare and I were just chit chatting a little bit as we were beginning, we just got on the subject of names and Clare was saying her name, Clare Dubois actually means clarity of the woods, clarity of the woods, and I was, Kozo was saying that, you know, maybe we're here to grow into, to evolve into our names, and my name Angela Montano, means angel on the mountain, and the name my last name Montano is a name I took in marriage and I did not know it meant mountain in Italian—my husband is Italian. So, clarity of the woods meets angel on the mountain.

{Laughter} You just have to begin at the beginning for us, how did you begin, what occurred that brought you to founding Tree Sisters?

Clare: Gosh, first of all, thank you so much for such a warm introduction, and thank you for your prayer, thank you for your beautiful prayer, and Kozo, thank you for being here holding Angela and I in the sacred naming ceremony that we seem to have stepped into together. It's hard to know where to start actually because I think tree sisters was coming for a long time. You know how you don't know that you're on a path until suddenly you you go through a door and you realize it's been stepping stones all the way...I knew for years that I was supposed to be doing something for trees. And I knew for years that I was supposed to be doing something to raise money but I didn't know how it was going to happen. And I knew that because of watching certain speakers at conferences and bawling my eyes out like I have a body that likes to let me know by crying spontaneously at really difficult moments, that this is part of my dharma like "go here" there's a signpost as I suddenly dissolved into a heap on the floor.

I would say - It's funny I often tell this story in my early twenty's - I'm forty-six I think now - in my early twenty's I started having nightmares that there were no more clouds. And they were real nightmares - and I live in England you know - I live in California now, but I used to live in England and it was the idea of an England where you know -on a cloudless day it's kind of a miracle in England - wow the sun is shining and maybe it'll shine all day and it won't rain on this day...but, my reality was I was dreaming no more clouds and the the crux of the dreams were no more clouds and it's like oh my God What might be about to happen to the weather that means the rain is gone? And I was obsessing with clouds for about three years. I was drawing them; I was taking photographs of them; I would sit and look at them and I would just cry and it's just like oh my god the clouds, the clouds, the clouds are trying to tell me something. And then I was at a dance workshop where we were..for New Year's Eve we were off to do ritual theater in little groups and my group for some strange inexplicable reason known only to the Creator herself says Well you're going to do the rape of the earth and I was asked to play the earth.

And so what we did was we dressed me in everybody's clothes, there are about seven of us, and so I was this enormous sort of bag lady sitting there but I was sitting on a throne and I was handing out cups of tea. And basically what we portrayed was they stripped me really harshly - like they fought over me, they fought for my resources, for my forests, for my fish, for my oil, for my soil, for my everything. It was just this fighting, fighting, pulling my clothes off and all the while I'm handing out cups of tea.

And I'm I'm giving unconditionally and I'm giving unconditionally and these people just keep fighting over me and keep desecrating me and destroying me and poisoning me and I keep handing out cups of tea. And there's a point where I'm sitting there and I was naked apart from a sock and I was supposed to scream loudly and throw myself on the floor which I did. But I went into total shock on the floor because I had had an embodied experience where the veil that keeps us from the insanity of how we're living was ripped away and I was lying they're going you can't put a planet into therapy you can't - when we cross that threshold we've crossed it there's no coming back and this nursery rhyme, "all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put humpty together again. All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put humpty together again"

And it got louder and louder and louder and I'm like oh my god it's done, it's over, it's finished like oh my God what am I going to do? and I'm there in a complete state. They've picked me up, put me back on the chair, dressed me again as if we can and then I look up in the whole room is sobbing and I'm I'm immobilized and freezing. I had gone ice cold and they sat me down we watched some more theatre and then there was a present giving ceremony and everybody had had to bring something. Everybody had wrapped them, nobody had put names on them and somebody just put a hand in a bag and got out a something and somebody handed something to me and I opened it and it was a little blue book with a single cloud on the front and in the cloud it just said, you can change the world.

And I started sobbing like sobbing so uncontrollably, they had to take me out of the room. I was wailing! It was like something in me just broke and I sobbed like that for about three hours and in the crying fit that that was, I was having this sort of archetypal argument on the inside -and this is why I want to tell this story - between the part of me that was going "I'm too small. I can't do anything. I am nothing. I have nothing to bring if I try I'll get lost. If I try it'll fail. If I fail, I'll be rejected. If I blah blah every reason why I could do nothing and this other part of me was rising in rage saying, you know how long have you known the weather's changing? how much do you love the natural world? how much have you been trying to get people to .... how can I know what's happening to nature and not give my life one hundred percent to it and the other part of me was because you're nothing, because you're no one.. and I'm just like you can't talk to me like that!!

And, I'm wailing because it's not just me, it's humanity like I felt like I was inside humanity's shadow just going, no we're going to continue the way we are because there's no hope and where this this other part of me is going, you have no idea what we are, we have no idea what we're capable of and you know. By the time I finished crying I was changed like I had moved some sort of an archetypal process through my body where I knew that whatever it was it didn't know what it was going to be but whatever it was my life was given to Gaia, my life was given to humanity's awakening; my life was given to helping all those who sit there and say I can't do it because I'm not good enough or I can't do it because I've not got the skill set, that I'm there for them, that I'm there for mother, for the feminine, for life that is being desecrated, for women that are being desecrated, for everything that is sacred in the life givers, the womb carriers in the womb of our planet, that my life is given to shining the light on that until we are all back on our knees in front of it revering the miracle of life. And so that was where it started. It kind of it was like a key that turned in me and I was forever changed by that experience. I want everybody to have that experience so the only way I can do that is by sharing that story.

But then it was a car crash - I mean no what happened next was I went to India to try and sort my health out and I was at an ashram in southern India -the Isha Foundation and they had started a reforestation initiative out of the tsunami, out of the devastation and the thousands of lives lost when the great waves came and swept so many people away and they had grown saplings and given trees to every family that had lost multiple loved ones so that they had a place to put their grief in the planting of these trees because these communities were locked in shock and the grieving process was stuck and the trees were a way of breaking the grief.

They had noticed the degree to which growing trees and tending trees had transformed these villages and these villagers so they started this thing called Project Green Hands where they were basically.. nine of their major rivers had already started drying up. The water tables had dropped significantly. Agriculture was dying. Famine was looming. The monsoons in southern India have all but failed. The rain is not happening and you know what you have to do is you have to bring the trees back. So trees are the rain creators and trees are the coolers and the stabilizers and the stabilizers of the soil. I fell in love with Project Green Hands because it was the first thing I had found that was operating at the scale that I thought was needed. They needed to plant one hundred fourteen million trees in ten years to to bring back their rivers and so I was like, “OK here we are money and trees I'll do this.”

I was trying to distill their social strategy so that I could bring it to the west and give it to somebody to say, will you start a reforestation revolution because we have to make it normal for everybody to plant trees, to take carbon out of the atmosphere... literally the day after I had distilled the social strategy to seven points, I had a car crash that gave me TREE SISTERS. And it was a car crash, but it was also in and of itself it was a metaphor because I was skidding on black ice, I was bouncing around the road. I was in England. I was about one hundred meters from my front door. I was going around the corner too fast, I was late. What's interesting, I was going to London and I was supposed to be giving the social strategy to a communications team—somebody else to take it.

And instead...a tree stopped me from going over the edge. That is a metaphor I believe for humanity. A tree literally stopped me. I was clean over the edge and instead I hit this tree and it stopped me and that was a blinding flash of white light when I hit the tree. Inside the car in front of the windscreen were 2 words: the experiment. And a male voice started talking to me literally as loudly as if he was sitting in the car next to me. And he said: humanity is running out of time. but it's not over yet. It's going to take everyone rising up to the challenge. The single greatest threat facing humanity is the fear of failure. But you can get over the fear of failure by calling everything you do an experiment because you can't fail an experiment, you can only learn.

Even wrapped around the tree, I felt fairly brilliant. And then I asked, 'What is the experiment?' And that came: you’ve got to restore the tropics within 10 years. At which point, my life flashed before my eyes. I suddenly realized that everything happened in life up to that point that I'm the one who was supposed to be doing the reforestation revelations. And I completed precognition of what was expected of me going forward and I said no. No, you have 100% got the wrong person. Sorry, I can't. You can't ask me to go out and be a leader. I was a total introvert and loner, back then. And then, the voice carried on and it said you have to mobilize the women. The women are the missing piece. The women are the womb carrier and the earth is womb. Women understand the cycles of life and death that happen in their bodies every month. Women understand that if you take all the time without giving back, you are going to wear out the system. Women and nature share a common history. What has been done to one has been done to the other and it has to stop. Now, for everything to come in to balance, you have to make it as normal to give back to life as it currently is to take life for granted. Women have to remember who and what they really are. Feminine consciousness has to be reinstated or it's over. And then your project is Tree Sisters, it's a crowd-funding mechanism. You basically have to aggregate funds coming from everybody and send them out to the tropics. I might as well be sitting there and be taking a dictation. It was a fully formed project that was not my idea. It was given to me that I argued with for a year before I tried doing anything but that, but it wouldn't leave me alone and in the end I said yes. And then the same voice came back and told me what to do. That was probably 6 or 7 years ago now.

Angela: I know that everything you are saying is really truly medicine for the soul of all of us that are listening. And one of those things I love so much, Clare, that you said when you began talking is how you would ball your eyes out, hearing something about trees at these various conferences that you would go to and it's like we women so often disregard these incredible messages that come to us. And it reminds me of, I was in Rio de Janairo, I was working on a documentary. I was a TV reporter before I began RethinkPrayer long ago. I ended up on the project of this documentary by a set of circumstances, dealing with the rainforest and the whole issue of the environment and development. It was the most difficult circumstances. The leads and photographer were angry and I was the associate producer and I kept feeling unqualified and like I wasn't doing everything the way I should do and getting everything to come and be on time. In Brazil, there is this loose time, you know. In this meeting, I wanted to cry so badly, but I refused to cry because I thought I gotta buck-it-up, you know I gotta power through. And I was talking to the the producer, an extraordinary human being, and we were kind of debriefing on the meeting. All I wanted to do was cry. And they said to me, I wish so badly what you have is what everyone needed. Everyone needed that. That's when I thought, wow, when we don't follow our instincts, we don't know how to release our energy.

It was deep in leadership that was within me that just wanted to just cry. It had been such a hard 2-3 days. It would have led a whole new energy transpire, had I. So thank god, you listened to your tears and I think we all need to do that so much. I also love this piece you said that when you were put in this theater piece where you played the earth and you experienced the rape of the earth...that veil that keeps us from being present to the insanity of how we are living. I feel so torn. Because I want to keep that veil up. I got things I want to accomplish because I got a teenage daughter. You know, I got a business and a purpose...I feel like if I'm present to the insanity, I'll go insane. If I'm not being present, then we don't have a future.

So, it's like I'm caught in between this rock and hard place, right? But what I love about tree sisters is it resolves that for me because I, without any environmental science background, can understand Tree Sisters. I think no matter what education we have, no matter where we live, we know what a tree is. And we know planting tree is good. You know, it's just easy to understand that. And you have given us something positive to do. So much of what I try to do, in terms for the environment, requires me changing. I got to recycle. I got to remember where to put this trash and that trash. I got to change my car. I got to walk and not ride. It just requires so much on my part and effort to be different and now I'm failing because I didn't put the trash in the right place. I took that car when I could've biked and now I feel horrible about myself.

So I need that veil even more, so I don't feel so bad about myself for not doing enough, right? And I compare myself to the people who are doing more or I compare to the people who are doing less all in an effort to just feeling about good about myself. But all of that gets transcended with planting a tree. I know I can support the planting of a tree and I love this idea when you call it...what is that word that I love so much that you used because so much of the vocabulary, so much of the way we talk about-our environmental issues, save the planet, save the planet, save the planet, and it makes you think of extinction. It makes you think of so many negative images. But you used the term, restoration, reforestation and restoration, and I love that because we can all relate to restorations. How many of us have been running on fumes that we barely have enough? We take a day, in the evening, to restore. We restore and we do replenish. So, you've given us an image that I an imagine restoration. It's a positive. So, how do we take this practical solution that you've given do we take that and do something with it today?

Clare: Well, you kind of painted about 4 different pictures with everything you've just said and I'm sitting here looking at all these different canvases and there is this question you just asked me. There is about 4 things I want to say and hopefully I've got to all of them by the end...The first is this disconnect, this ever increasing divide between what I'm gonna call us and the truth. The truth is, actually, the insanity, which is we have inherited a way of deceiving ourselves in the way of separation and the place and dominance of nature are what enables us to poison the air that we need, the water that we drink, the food that we eat, aach other, the environment, the whole bit. That is because there is a ruling disconnect and that disconnect is inheritance. And it's the truth that to try and digest the immenseness of the mess as we sit in it right now, where we are in the midst of the sixth great extinction where we are two hundred sixty degrees past the million above where we should be, where the weather is going crazier. All of that stuff to try to digest it alone would probably send you mad.

B: Or just too much binge watch Netflix all day, you know you just,

Clare: Well you know, it's too much. There's a reality that it's too much and there's a reality that we have to change and there's this place in the middle for me whereby actually if you can do two things. Two crucial things. One is you don't try to do it alone. As in it's like when something ghastly happens, everyone comes together. It's like the collective grieving process, the collective praying process, the collective dancing process, the collective process process. Whatever it is, the coming together where collectively we look into each other's eyes and just go oh my god this is so enormous thank god I'm not alone.

It gives you some sort of rouse that's needed. That's one of the reasons why treat us because women aren't just facing what's happened to the world. Women are also facing what's happened to ourselves. Where women are facing what's happened to women like the me too thing that's erupted, women are also facing what's happened to the feminists. People are like why is it just for women when it's everybody that's needed and I'm like yeah I know everybody is needed. But, what is lacking in this world is feminine leadership, we're not lacking masculine leadership. We are severely lacking women leadership. Why? Because women are terrified of their power. Women are terrified of standing forward with all of their gifts because we've been taught that it makes you a target you're gonna get slammed down and you're gonna get picked on.

And it may not be from the men, it could also be from other women. So, for me the finding community within which to face this, so we've got a global community of treesisters around the world and we're holding hands as we try to step into the river of truth and just go, “Oh my god I'm gonna have to change.” If we all look at each other like okay we got this, we can do this together, and there’s a point at which staring towards reality starts to feel like you're coming online with life. And it starts to feel empowering as opposed to schismic. Like the schism is where we are literally pulled away from our own root, so we're coming back to the root which is actually true human nature is not dominant, is not selfish, is not greedy is not wantonly destructive.

This is misguided, inherited consciousness that we are now the custodians of it's transformation. We are the generations that are going to have to flip how we perceive ourselves, so we can move from what I call a consumer species, an unconscious consumer species to a conscious restorative species, that can actually start to make a choice that we give back more than we take because right now we just take and we're imagining that we live on a finite planet, and we don't.

The second thing I wanted to say is that it's interesting. You say, “We all know what a tree is.” We don't! You know, we don't. The lumber industry, we don't know what a tree is. The lumber industry call it standing timber. To them, it is not a living being. It is not a miracle that is part of the nature system that can help heal the ocean. Or give us the air that we need. Or provide ground water. Or provides biodiversity for the species that we need to help cultivate our plants. Or that it's a rain creator and why are the clouds disappearing in the rainforest. People don't know the connections between trees and rain. Or trees and fertile soil, or trees and groundwater, or trees and biodiversity. They also don't know that a tree is carbon made visible. Like we're all sitting there like everyday I'm sitting here with a light on next to me. That means I'm heating the planet because that’s fossil fuels right there.

So if I go outside and I boil a kettle, I'm heating the planet; If I sit down in front of the television, I'm heating the planet; If I get in my car, I'm heating the planet. Okay, what am I gonna do everyday to cool her down. Rather than going, “Wow, look at this--the weather is going mad.” Children are looking at the future wondering what on earth they say. I don't know what they say. Every single one of us, if we understood, will be saying, "What is the most I can give every month to reforest the tropics?" I say the tropics because there is a continual growing season. That means trees are sucking up carbon to grow themselves every single day. In winter, they don't hibernate. They just grow. So if you want to suck the carbon out of the atmosphere, we should all be sitting there saying, right, I'm growing a forest. I'm growing a forest this month. And every organization, I'm growing a forest. Every charity, I'm growing a forest. Every family, I'm growing a forest. Because that is how we start to consciously suck the carbon out of the atmosphere.

And the other thing, which is, you say we know what a tree is. People may not know what a woman is. We don't. We know what we've been taught a woman is. And in the same way, the tree is a beautiful green thing over there that makes things look beautiful. Maybe some people know that it sweeps up pollution; or maybe some people understand what goes on on the forest floor. We look at a woman, and we have assumptions. As women, we have assumptions about what we've been taught that we are. But what I was taught in the car crash was women have to remember who and what they are, and feminine consciousness has to be reinstated. Women are the womb carriers. What does that mean? Women's bodies aren't linear. We are not designed for patriarchal culture. We are designed for a cyclical culture. We are designed for a humanity that rises and falls with the seasons, that rises and falls with the tide, which means we don't take all year around. We understand growing seasons; we understand fallow phases; we understand that you can take now, but you have to give back then, or you have to allow things to rest.

The feminine intelligence is equally cyclical because our hormones change throughout the months. We have all four of nature seasons happen every month, but nobody wants to talk about the fact that menstruality or a woman's womb is the source of her intelligence and her ability to understand her unique capacity as they change through the month. So we have suppressed that and we've become linear just like everything else, where [as] women, we've been taught to be men essentially but just doing women's roles, mothering, tending, not deeply listening to the cycle of life and bringing through what I call the Nature-based feminine consciousness that can bring solutions that are life-based, and of a more balanced feminine nature.

So to me, educating people what trees are is... almost as important helping women understand what we are, because we don’t know either thing, not really, not deeply in consciousness. If we did, we'd have a different structure of leadership on this planet. Then you asked me a question, which is....

Angela: Which is today what does a person do to participate in this culture of restoration?

Clare: Well. There are many different elements to it. We have many males, tree brothers as well. So TreeSisters is not like this is all women and everybody else stay away. It's just that we are doing something that's never been done before, which is we are actually linking the nature of women's bodies with the consciousness of natural systems and trying to support women to understand our indivisibility, feel it and therefore start to be able to listen to a deeper wisdom, out of which, our behavior will naturally change. That's something that is uniquely TreeSisters' around the feminine empowerment piece.

When it comes to active restoration, the first step for all of us, I believe, is the willingness to look at ourselves, and understand we are all colluding with a system that has normalized “taking without giving back”. And realize how comfortable that is, and how convenient that is. None of us really want that to change. If we need to have a crying fit, or a rage, or a sulk, or stomp, or whatever, to just say I don't want it to change, because essentially, we are used to taking our mothers for granted, and this is asking us to grow up.

We're used to being the teenagers who want it all on our terms, the planet can just suck it up, and we're going to expect her to continue contributing to us no matter how much we take and she simply said she can't. So we don't actually have a choice - we either make a significant change or it is over, pretty soon actually.

But right now we're standing at a choice point and that choice point requires us to look at ourselves. It requires us to first of all ask ourselves whether we're willing to really acknowledge the state of things. If we're not willing, then to ask ourselves why. I believe every single one of us treasures our children, want the next generation to have a future. One of the things that we're frightened to look at is the future that we're creating for our children. So if you struggle to really question yourself then look at a future that has no seasons, crazy seasons. When you are talking about climate change one of the pressing things you're talking about is food. All it takes is an insane amount of rain to wash away a crop. Or no rain at all for a crop not to grow. And we're having both everywhere. The weather is going whacko and so food production is going to be absolutely, it's totally disrupted already, but it's going to get worse. Safety, safety of our children.... If you find in yourself "you know what I'm ready".... I'm ready to make a difference.

One of the things that is core to TreeSisters is the recognition that one of the things that prevents us from feeling ready is exhaustion and overwhelm and stress and it's just one more thing and it's just too big and I can't add it to my list. Which is why we focus on what we call in-breath activities. So we offer meditations, we offer courses, we offer togetherness processes which are there to nourish and nurture and resource us, so that we feel we have the capacity to even think about making the change.

And then when we are ready, for us becoming a TreeSister means you give money every month to reforest the tropics and so you grow your own forest. If you give $10 a month that's 25 trees you're planting every month. We've got people giving $200 a month, $400 a month, who are realizing that it's not about how little you can give to feel good about yourself it's how much can you give because we're not just dealing with the carbon that we're emitting now. It's our lifetime's worth of emissions, it's our family's worth of emissions, it's our ancestor's emissions since the industrial revolution. We've got a lot to clean up. This is about serving the future and serving life from a much different place than ourselves. Everything we live inside of, wear, drive, fly in, eat, has been taken from the planet. How much are we prepared to start giving back? So this giving back in terms of trees, you can go to and just join or donate or you can go to our website which is the latest campaign we've done because last year we got to a million trees a year and now we're starting our journey to a billion trees a year which is going to require two million of us to step up and do this.

Angela: It is such a small number when you think of all the people on the planet. Only two million of us need to step up and we are billions of us. This is very hopeful.

Clare: Well it's hopeful and it's difficult. People don't want to. And the reality is, yes we can say when two million of us are planting a billion trees a year. That's a huge big deal you know I will be thrilled by that. Until you hear that we are stripping fifteen billion trees a year on this planet. So we're really talking a global movement. This is why, I'm saying that consumer species to the restorer species, it's a whole cultural mindset we need restoration embedded in every financial transaction.

Nothing changes hands unless something is given back to the planet whether it's in terms of cleaning things up or whether it's in terms of restoring and renewing. But obviously every choice that we make, every consumer choice we can either put towards supporting an industry that is stripping, poisoning, deforesting, or we can only choose to purchase from ethical, sustainable, fair trade, organic. And where that is too expensive we need to start making choices and we you know we just recycle, we live on recycled everything. The first choice is the most important to wake up - are you willing to wake up and stay awake? In the full knowledge that it's not comfortable. It's anything but comfortable. Are you willing to stay awake in the recognition that it uncomfortable. What community are you going to go and connect to that can help you get through this together and start to feel empowered. Everybody is welcome to come into TreeSisters for that. And maybe it's your church, maybe it's your local women's group, maybe it your sports team. Maybe you can sit down and talk about it. Most people don't want to yet, but as the weather goes wild, increasingly people are needing a place to put that concern.

Angela: Yes and I so appreciate your point you made earlier. I feel like less than people don't want to, it's that exhaustion, that overwhelm, that malaise effect, that has people turn away and yet on the deepest level of our being we must want to. Who doesn't want to live? And it's connecting to that. I love how you are uncovering the layers of the resistance within us to face the insanity, that we can then join together with our tribe.

And I love that right now today I can go to & I can become a tree sister and I can donate my resources financially to be part of this. I love that that's a simple thing I can do. And I love that in your organization it's not just me giving money, I get to connect with people who are doing this. I may not be in Nepal where a certain project is happening or Kenya where another one is happening. But I can connect with people where it's happening right here in my community of L.A. Where you know there's a group that are wanting to create Los Angeles to be an urban forest. This is really extraordinary.

You know you said it's difficult. I'd like to hear from you what is most difficult and then I would like to hear about what's been easiest. Like what has surprised you in terms of ease, as you offered your life to humanity in service of Gaia, in service to restoration but been surprisingly easy and what's been most difficult. But start with the difficult.

Clare: Personally difficult or collectively difficult?

Angela: I'd like to here both, personally and collectively.

Clare: You know, in God knows how many interviews I've done, I've never been asked me that question. The most difficult personally has been getting over myself. Getting over my insecurity, my shame, huge shame. Shame around not knowing what I'm doing - I mean it really was a case of life gave this to me. It found somebody that was stubborn and willful and would have a go but basically had none of the skill sets. I had never worked in an organization before, so I had no idea how to manage, how to run a team, how to do accounting, how to do social media, I wasn't on the computer. I mean there was nothing I knew how to do in terms of building an organization and so building an organization from scratch, a global organization I may say, which means that the legalities are really complex,has been an exercise in profound humility, excruciating discomfort. Most of the time when I discovered that I've done something that you just can't do for U.K. charity, and I have to rethink the entire thing. Or I just feel inept, essentially. I think I'm doing something in a different way and then I realize that I think it means actually the same way.

So it's been a case of falling down and picking myself up - again and again. And what's helped me do that is the extraordinary women who have answered the call, who are a part of my team. So we kind of form like the rings of a tree like I'm sort of standing there and the rings around me will often come back and say "Hey Clare, doesn't matter you can't fail an experiment". There's no failure here there's just learning.”

So, every step of the way. I can look back now. Actually I was just at a conference and I was on stage speaking and when I got off the stage, I realised that, when I had the car crash and I had the premonition of who I was supposed to be, I lived the future, in that conference. And I look back and then go " wow - that was the me I thought I would never get to'. And which was astonishing and simultaneously I can still feel every day completely out of my depth. Every day there is more challenges around. What there is to learn and grow. Because this hasn't been done before. What we are trying to do hasn't been done before. It is not just stocking a charity. We are trying to shift consciousness. We are trying to point at the very parts of ourselves that we least want to look at. Because we are talking about the feminine wound. At its macro level - our own assault on our Mother. Our own assault on the feminine. What is happening to women. What is holding back women leadership. And then climate change. Like let us look at the things that humanity least wants to look at. Put them into one project and try and package it in a way that is palatable.

That is so not easy. And it is beautiful. Because what's been easy is " this is how I love". I love so deeply. I love this planet with a passion that is - there are no words to describe how much I love this world. It will make me cry - and I think back to the clouds going. And when I now understand the rainforests produces these flying rivers that are so vast. You know the Amazon river produces what is known as the Amazon rainforest. Which is the size of the front of the moon. This forest provides rainfall to vast areas of the planet and I could tell even then the trees were calling me to say " if you get rid of us, you are loosing the clouds" . And it is not all right in my life time- I can’t handle this. And so it brings me into my love. My fierce love for each other. For the children. For the children of all species and this planet in a way that trumps my fear . And that trumps my "I can’t do it. I am not good enough crap" that still comes up all the time. It does not matter who or what I think I am. I can serve from my love and I can serve from my love. And I can serve from my love. And I will keep doing that. No matter how many messes I make. Because my love is growing me.

And my willingness to let that love burn through the shame when I get it wrong. And the fear of "I don’t know what to do.” Whatever it is. The women have come into TreeSisters. Thats been easy. Because the name TreeSisters seems to land in a woman with something of the frequency with which she is held - it speaks to love. It speaks to the love of nature. And speaks to women's essential connection to nature.

So there has been lot. It has been difficult. It hasn't been quite so much as easy. But you know we are 1.8 million trees a year right now. Next week we are funding another half a million. And we are funding in- we have got two extraordinary projects in India. An agroforestry in southern India and cloud forestry in northern India. We are reforesting the southern and northern slopes of Mount Kenya. We are reforesting jungles, community forests in Nepal. We are reforesting mangroves , incredible mangroves. They sequester more than thirty percent more than normal tropical trees. And they repopulate the ocean and they built tidal protection. And these are magical trees. And also dry the land protecting six of the most endangered lemurs on the planet. We are planting rainforest corridors in Brazil between the remaining fragments of the Atlantic rain forests. Where we have got endangered jaguars and ocelots, puma's and monkeys and endangered trees on the red list in Brazil.

And we are planting in Cameroon around the last remaining 250 cross river gorillas. They are the most endangered gorillas on the planet. And not matter how hard it has been - this is real. We are transforming land and transforming lives. Like around the tropical belt of the planet. Which is the rain producer and the cooler of our world. And so I want to just seed the feeling of how good it would feel to know that every single month you are touching the lives of thousands of people around the planet and regrowing habitat and sucking carbon out of the atmosphere and replenishing ground water and replenishing soil and being a human being that is willing to start looking towards what it means to become a restorer. And that gives me the ability to live in the chaos. And get up every day and know that my life is pointed towards a different future for humanity. That is easy. What is hard is not know what to do. What is easy is to say “I am going that way. Are you coming with me?"

Kozo: This is beautiful. Believe it or not we flew by an hour. I am going to step in and invite people to join this conversation with any questions and comments and Clare - I do a lot of these calls and I have been on these calls a lot and I have never seen so many questions and comments on the web come in during the calls. We already have a good 7 or 8. But I am still going to open it up to more.

Angela: Thank you Claire for sharing. You reminded me of something I heard once, which is " Life does not call the qualified. Life qualifies the called.” You are being qualified as you are called. And wherever we are in the process. I know I am not alone in feeling this urge to support you in your work. I feel like I am just one in millions. And I just wanted to invite everyone listening and everyone who will listen to the replay and the ServiceSpace community that listens to this Awakin call- I mean- you know Kozo how many people are part of

Kozo: We do what we call - we send out ripples - we never know where or how those ripples affects others. But put it this way - there are people writing in right now from England, Canada, United States and India. So the ripples are going global. It is an unknown number - but it is a far reaching number. Or a far reaching ripple.

Angela: I for one am going to join TreeSisters and I am going to donate. And another thing I feel called to do Clare on your behalf is to nominate you to Maria Shriver's Architect of Change - and have you been an Architect of Change? ( Clare - " No-i haven’t") Anybody else who wants to do this - you just go to Maria Shriver's web page. She puts out this sunday paper and her paper is all about moving humanity forward. It is very interesting. And more than one of us nominate Clare to be an Architect of Change - it reaches a tremendous amount of people. And of course I have to think about Maria Shriver being good friends with Oprah Winfrey- she often sounds the call - you know on Super Soul Sunday - more and more people- we want every one in the world to know about you. We want every one in the world to know TreeSisters. And that is my prayer and I turn it over to Kozo. Thank you so much Clare for talking to us.

Clare: I am so grateful, Angela. I am so grateful, Angel of the Mountain, for ... thank you for shining your light the way that you do. I am deeply moved and, yeah, I'm deeply moved. Thank you so much.

Kozo: Clare, normally this is where the host gets to take prerogative and have a short conversation with you but there are so many questions coming in on the form I'm just going to bow out and I think it's, I think it is an appropriate gesture too, you know you're talking about feminine consciousness and as a man I'm feeling ... [Clare laughing] as a perpetrator of a lot of this, this injustice that's been done -- not only me personally but also generationally, you know my ancestors, my male ancestors are part of that, that created this broken system. So I'm going to bow out and I'm going to share the reflections that are coming in. So there's so many and, you know, first I want to apologize to anybody listening if we don't get to your question, like I said, I've never seen this many, this amount of questions and comments come in, in the entire time I've been doing these calls.

So here's one from Iowa, USA, from Christie she says, "Please share a daily practice you have to stay grounded and tuned into your guidance; also what do you recommend to help the caregivers of the youngest human generation, those being born now, to stay in love with nature -- how do you help the littles not be afraid of the destruction and to hold that sense of wonder and reverence for our source?"

Clare: Wow, gosh, epic question. So well, just to try and be brief, if you go to and you look for the femiversity there is, there's a page there that is full of meditations, full of ... there's even dance on there, there are talks, there are all sorts... there are daily practices, there are short daily practices, grounding practices, tree-based practices, so rather than sit here and try to describe one you can literally go there. But one, this may sound crazy, but one of the fastest ways that I know to just feel better -- go outside, just go outside. First of all. The second thing is, bring your attention into your body, the body sensations as much as possible -- try to get out of the mind; come into your body as much as you can through breath, then expand your awareness around your body sort of, sort of just come out into diffused awareness, then open to nature's awareness of you. That's the key. [Kozo signaling affirmation]

Open to the fact that nature lives in a completely connected state of which we are part; we're the ones who've got an eco structure that is flipping us into a state of disconnection. Nature is entirely aware of us. And when you can, what I call the "log on", like split from your own -- I mean you have to be centered to be able to sense it, you need to slow down enough, like breathe and slow down enough that you can do it in an instant, open to nature's awareness of you. And I have a saying that I use, which is "teach me how to live my life as a prayer" -- there's one for you, Angela -- "teach me how to live my life as a prayer", and I will say it to a tree, I will say it to the sky, I will say it to a bird, I will say it to any part of nature around me because I recognize a being that is in a state of connectedness. As soon as I can flip and say that, my state changes.

How to help the children at this point -- it's very interesting -- this is coming at us from all sides and I am, I'm so wanting us to like, we need more funding -- Tree Sisters needs more funding because we're growing too fast for our team to manage, and we need more team members and I know we can ... we've got a lot of volunteers as well, but part of this is we need a whole arm that is starting to create materials for children, work with children, help mothers, because there is this rising fear, there's rising fear, and also the rising disconnect with technology. So one of the things I would say is, try and take your child into nature as much as possible, like, make nature -- I mean and I don't know how you do it in a world that plugged into televisions and iPhones and all the rest of it -- but see how much you can try and reinstate play in nature. And also, this may sound strange, but ritual in nature -- like if play feels, you know, one of the things you can do is is rituals of making things, of creating sculptures together, of creating mandalas together, of collecting things, of telling stories about things, of drawing attention to the small things.

One of my dreams, I was telling somebody yesterday, was that we would actually start, I've been wanting to do this for ages, have mothers writing what I call nature-based stories for kids whereby they're experiencing themselves as part of nature, from a connected place so that we can start to help steer them back into their natural state, but we haven't got there yet but, really truly, if you, if the mother can can find that wonder with nature again, and find that sense of connection, and really truly there are so many practices in the femiversity.

And also the billion trees campaign that we just did, we produced a six-week course called "The Inner Journey of Awakening," which had a teaching, a global meditation and an interview with a stunning leader like Barbara Marx Hubbard or Joanna Macy for six weeks that embodied the sacred geometry of Tree Sisters, because we're actually, the whole organization is built out of the wisdom of five-element acupuncture. It's all built on an, on a natural flow of energy that is a balance of yin and yang, of masculine and feminine, and the inner journey is a journey to bring you right back into the feminine principle and so that your masculine arises out of the connected feminine, because that's the right relationship between the masculine and the feminine. We feel, therefore we know what to do. If the feeling side of our nature is down we can burn our planet out. If we feel our indivisibility, we will act in accordance -- that's the reinstated feminine consciousness.

So for anyone that wants to take a deep dive into reinstating the feminine principle, there is a free beautiful resource that you just go to,, and click on the inner journey sign up and the whole thing there is available for you, including an astonishing Facebook group of women all around the world who are taking the journey to transform from the inside out so hopefully that that's useful.

Kozo: Wow. We need another three hours for this call. We have a caller calling in from India that has a comment or question. Hello - you're on the air.

Gayathri: Hi, hi, hi Clare. My name is Gayathri. So I live in Chennai, South India, which you should be familiar with since you said [Clair: "yes"], yes.... So I have, I have so many questions but, so one question, one question I want to ask straight away is, I'm wondering whether you have a sense of, because so I've been working on planting native trees with many organizations, we have like about twenty five trees at home, lots of medicine herbs and plants, and we keep giving our own tree saplings to lots of people to plant because these are all great indigenous trees, very well adapted to the eastern seaboard, and one of the things that we noticed because Chennai had the floods in 2015 and then the cyclone, we keep you know reading news like "one lakh trees planted" or "one million trees planted" but you know, we had a drought this year, so we know that, it's not quite sure whether these trees were planted you know remain planted, because even I've done so many tree-planting initiatives and then a year later I find somebody has gone and cut them down, or you know just you know some miscreant activity, so it's really hard to -- do you have a sense of how many actually have been established, and you know survived and are thriving, as opposed to just being planted?

Clare: Yeah it's a really good question. So in India where we're planting, I mean, we're ... the northern project we're starting next.... the southern project in Tamil Nadu, there are all these different costs per tree that we could have chosen as an organization. We've gone for the most expensive tree because we're choosing to work with farmers within an agri-forestry program where we know that those trees are going to be drip-irrigated, because there is no more, there is simply no way that in India anymore you can say "yeah we've just planted this many like trees and they're going to survive,” so there was a huge planting that just happened, and I'm like "OK -- so somebody tell me who's going to water those trees, like, how are they going to survive?"

I don't have the answers, so I'm only, like we... all are projects, like as a U.K. charity we have to be incredibly rigorous about who we're planting with because taxpayers' money, we've got to know that it's it's ... you know we can't just give money to anyone and pray that these trees survive. So all our projects... If you plant a tree and it fails for whatever reason, so there's a drought, there's a fire, there's from mangroves it's crabs, crab predation, would you believe, or fire in Madagascar or where they're cutting them down... Inside the cost per tree is the replanting. They're all monitored and protected for a minimum of three years, and they're in areas, like in Brazil These are areas where you can't, all of them actually, where there is government support or it's community-owned land and that is set aside and it will not be cut.

When it comes to agroforestry, so for instance in, Cameroon and our Kenya project, we're doing in those areas we're doing 70% reforestation, 30% agroforestry, and that's because we've chosen to specify our reforestation strategy around intact forest landscape, which is where reforestation also becomes conservation, because we're growing around intact forest landscape, and the agroforestry means that you're helping the locals who would usually go into the forest to take, to grow their own trees so they're not going in. Now the agroforestry trees, some of them have a shorter life span because they're going to be used, but with agreements with those farmers if you take down a tree you plant three in its place. So yes, we have got between -- depending on which project -- between a 60-80% percent survival rate but they're replanted, and you just don't know -- ultimately you just don't know because the next superstorm could go through and completely wipe out a forest, you know a mature forest, let alone sapling.

Gayathri: Yeah, I mean, we -- that was a problem with when the cyclone came last, in 2016. But do you have anybody gathering data independently as to, you know, three years later -- you said, just to be sure you know how much survived -- the numbers you gave me, 60%-80% are self reported through the local partners?

Clare: Through the partners, yes. What we're looking at now, what we're looking at now is some of them as well starting to have G.P.S. and that the satellite so that we can actually, we can, we can keep looking, you know, we can keep seeing what what's actually going on. But, I mean, the partners themselves, you know, we work with Eden Project in Madagascar, WeForest in Brazil and northern India, International Tree Foundation -- these are organizations that have a lot of experience and they are planting to have that forest; they protect it and they're also working at the government level to ensure like in Madagascar they're changing the laws to make it illegal to go in and take the mangroves. So we're also you know, who we're choosing to work with is what we call rigorous at every level -- to try and ensure, and like, you know, it's as good as we can do you know. [Sure] It's pretty good actually.

Gayathri: Yeah so my other question is, I mean, is you know for people who live in these, in the tropics like me, if I join Tree Sisters and I'm more... is there a role that I can do locally and you know in terms of helping you here instead of say donating money -- is there something else that people in all these places can do in these fights, do you have roles that you've thought of?

Clare: Well this is one of those wonderful growing edges where we need more help with the team. You know, we've got people who want to volunteer all over the world and it means we need to find volunteer coordinators. We need to figure out what we can actually do, you know, one of the things that's happening is we're starting these things called "The Groves." Again, if you go to the Tree Sisters network, website, you'll find the Groves are where we're basically saying -- "one thing you can do is start your own woman's circle, and out of a woman's circle, when you are actually feeling supported, then out of the creativity of the women in that circle maybe there are initiatives that can arise out of you where you can organize yourselves as volunteers to do something that makes sense for you in your exact environment, whether it's tree planting or conservation whilst we figure out, you know, how we arrange ourselves with a global network that are wanting tasks. We've got, there is a way that you can volunteer for Tree Sisters; at the moment the bulk of the volunteering is virtual, around spreading the word because we haven't got teams actually on site in these places beyond our actual partners themselves where they are.

And a lot of them are incredibly remote and difficult to get to, so neither have we yet been starting what I would call "forest missions" or journeys out there, but again, we're also looking into that. We just went out to Kenya this last year and you can see the film that we made from the Kenya Project on our website, and we've just been to Madagascar, but these other projects -- it's like, there's a lot, there's a lot of territory up ahead of us as the organization grows that we'll be able to do more and more. But a lot of it sits with the initiative of a woman who feels it and receives the invitation and is ready to take the initiative essentially to figure out what she can do, and then hopefully feed that back to us and inspire other women to do the same.1:15:24

Gayathri: Sounds wonderful And I'll try and be in touch. THANK YOU THANK YOU


Kozo: Wow. We have more floods of questions coming. I'm going to apologize; there's no way we're going to get to all of these. So I'm going to start combining them Clare.

Clare: I'll try to be more succinct.

Kozo: No, no problem. I think people are just really really thirsty or hungry for what you're sharing with us. So we have one coming from the United Kingdom, another coming from Holy Mount Tamalpais in Northern California. One says, "Vital wisdom. Thank you, Clare. You articulate how we need to listen to our own inner wisdom and that we have to change our ways. Deep respect. There are thousands of us listening to you." And then the one from Northern California says, "thank you both for this crucial call. The trees thank you. [Clare audibly appreciative] We need this firm concern. Love from the forest above Muir Woods." And there's a number of comments like, Clare, I can't read them all -- just gratitude and the importance of what you're doing, and a number of people on the web feed are saying "I'm going to support Tree Sisters so look for that coming in in the next few days."

Clare: Yay. Thank you all.

Kozo: And I want to get to ... there's two questions, quick comments coming in and so I'm just going to read these to you, and I'd love to hear your response on the overall sentiment of it. So Albert, I think he's from Canada, and he says "Thank you, thank you, for sharing, for your sharing and service to deep unity of our world -- all beings named and unnamed. When you speak of women it is not as exclusive as it sounds in these days. You could easily use the word/concept men and lift all of us from the limitations we have inherited in this duality of thought and belief systems." So that's one, and then there's another coming in from Craig from Oregon, who says "What group and who and where do you find the greatest support from men? From your female perspective, what are the most beneficial ways men can support your work?" So I think there's you know this interesting inquiry into that dialectic between feminine consciousness and men's role and what men can do.

Clare: I didn't quite understand the first one. It sounded like we could, instead of using "woman", Albert you were saying use "men" and use men to embrace all of us, is that what you're saying?

Kozo: I think, I think he's just trying to get out of that duality of men and women and say that you could, you know just ... just, yeah go with all of us, everybody you know, so I think that, like I feel, um, what he's, he's feeling a bit ... hurt maybe or excluded or you know... which I'm sure you're going to encounter, right? [Clare: oh for sure, for sure] when you're dealing with a male consciousness that's been in control, that's been the leader, that's been abusive to both the land and the women for ... I don't even know how long ... you're going to get that backlash, so I'm wondering, how you incorporate that into, I think, both of these men and myself as well are wondering how you incorporate that into your practice and worldview and, um, yeah, your um, journey?

Clare: So let me, let me take a stab at this. First of all, this is HUGE, I mean it's huge you know -- it points to the, it points to a colossal, colossal wound, like multifaceted [Kozo: "yeah"], a multifaceted colossal wound.

And I love men. I LOVE men. So Tree Sisters is not about, it's not an anti-men thing, it's not a "men are crap" thing, you know. What I tried to say earlier was, we have all inherited the consciousness that we're sitting in. We have all inherited the worldview that we're sitting in, that happens to be patriarchal, that happens to have been a worldview that has suppressed women and the feminine and nature. It's a phase that we've been in, all of us, and all of us have our relationship to it, and all of us are going to have to shift it -- like that's just reality.

And I don't think it helps to start blaming, nor does it help to exclude, and so it's been a very interesting journey for me and Tree Sisters, because as I said, between the car crash and actually saying yes, I had nine months of horrific depression. It was like I spent years asking for my life’s calling and then when it was given to me I was so damn terrified I refused it and it was like the light of that clarity and the car crash brought up all my shadow and I was terrified of doing something for women because I personally was hammered at being a girl, absolutely hammered by my father who was incredibly misogynist and abusive and I was taught basically that being a female was incredibly dangerous and the best thing that you could do is make yourself invisible and then I went to an all girls boarding school and was mostly bullied and I decided basically there was nothing good about being female whatsoever.

I would avoid women at all costs and then I was asked to create a global women's network to help women restore their relationship with the feminine and which was why I fell into depression because it was just like you have got the wrong person to such a colossal degree I can't even begin to express it, but life was saying you're not your wounding, you're not your past, if you can transform that then you can embrace everything. And actually being with women and understanding women and discovering what feminine consciousness is has been the path to my own healing. Now during that time that I was saying no, I tried to do a version of Tree Sisters of men and women and everything I did failed and in the end I said OK, I get it I'm doing it wrong, tell me what to do. And the same voice came back and said “You can do all of that but you do it through the women.” And what I realized was what’s happened to women, what’s happened to minorities, what’s happened to Native Americans, what happened to indigenous tribes all over the world, what happened to what I would call those who are in intimate relationship with life has been incredibly brutal. Different levels of brutality, different qualities of brutality, different levels of suppression. It has a very strong effect.

What happened to women if you think Western women then you have to remember everything or one of us that's alive, our ancestors survived the witch burnings which basically means we were the ones that watched, we were the ones that were taught that to stay alive as a woman you didn't have your own mind, you belonged to the man, you did not have your own power, you could not bring your own power forward. You had no free choice. You could not do healing. You could not do herbalism. You could not listen to the body in any way shape or form. You were property that was how we were taught as women conditioned, profoundly conditioned to survive.
And since then we have been owned,unable to fight, depending on which culture you are in and if you look at multiple cultures on this planet they’re hacking off our genitals and still putting us into slavery. We’re considered third class citizens worse than cattle in some African countries and where the Me Too over here is showing finally that it's enough in our culture.

But what has happened to women has separated us all to such a degree from the quality of consciousness that we are designed hormonally designed, energetically wired to bring through the consciousness that you watch in Avatar. If you've watched Avatar. Where there is a level of connectedness, to the sacredness of life that we are listening to, so that as a species we are incapable of dominating and destroying life because we are connected enough to know that if we dominate and destroy life, we're dominating and destroying ourselves.

That consciousness, not saying it only comes through women, but we're wired for it because we're wired as the protectors of life. That's why they say that a woman's eye can read so many more different colors than a man whichever the rods or all cones in our eyes because we're looking for the health, the power, the complexion of our children -- Are you sick? Are you well ? What's needed? What do I do? How do I protect?

And so there is a healing that is required. There's not just the healing that's required for women to start to feel that we can even start to tiptoe back towards what is true feminine power in a world that when women shine in our sexual vibrancy we become targets. There's also a healing that's required between women because we've also been pitched against each other because we've been turned into the property of men and therefore we compete for the man because the man is the root to our safety and our survival. So there's been some very, very insidious damage done to women through the ages that has us now in this kind of confused state. A lot of us women are longing for the communion with women but extremely frightened of it. And I watch this again and again and again in the Tree Sisters Network where women are so afraid to bring their voices because they're terrified of the criticism of other women because their rejection between women is again another way that we've been very, very damaged and are afraid to bring our gifts. Now if we're going to hold space for a different consciousness to come through women, if we're going to hold space for the healing between women and the healing of women and our body and our power which involves looking at all the different ways that we have subjugated ourselves and the betrayed ourselves within the system that is done to us, you cannot bring a man into that.

It's like you've got a whole space for those of us to go…to remember, to re-member, put back together, put back together the body of woman in the same way that you have to put back together the body you got remember what it means to be a woman. As soon as you bring men into that circle, the dynamic completely changes. In the same way that if you had a man's healing circle where men are trying to come together and really deal with what the hell it means to be a man right now and bring a woman into the room the whole dynamic changes because of our conditioning. If we're going to condition or recondition ourselves -- this is my humble opinion and by all means completely vehemently disagree with me and throw something at the wall--like men need to redefine what man is, woman need to redefine what women is. If we keep trying to do it together, I think we're going to keep falling back into the same patterns. Ultimately, of course, we need to do it together. Of course we do, but the feminine needs to understand what she is so that she can bring a new quality of herself forward that is not asking for permission, not begging, not flirting, not trying to be the thing that works, not trying to keep herself safe. But it is in her authority so that the masculine can understand what his role is next to a woman in her authority where both men and women are honoring and respecting and empowering each other to be the fullest that they can be, not trying to dominate or control each other in order to power play.

So, ultimately, I have been given this job by life in this weird way that said women have to remember who and what they are. So do I think I could potentially help men know that there's a role for men? Yes, there's a there's a huge role for men. My particular bit is going to towards the women because I'm trying to help women heal so that we can bring feminine consciousness forward.

What group of men have been the most supportive thus far? It is our friends essentially thus far it's been those people who know us personally, know the team personally. There have been a few I mean there are a lot of male donors which is great because man I understand that it's not an insult to themselves that women need a place to heal. It's just a reality. And I used to call the tree brothers the Guardians because I used to say, “Please can you just come and stand by the temple door and let us get on with our healing, can you guard us while we heal? Can you honor the fact that we need you to honor that this may not be particularly pretty?” This may be clumsy in our healing as we try and find our voices and we try and step up. And I'm not doing this to cause men to feel excluded and women have been excluded for as long as you could possibly imagine in this world that we've had and so is it OK that women take a little bit of time to sit in a circle together, to remember what we are and I'm saying yes, actually it's not just OK it's vital and it's needed.

But I need to say we need the men. We need the men desperately, we need them and you are so freaking beautiful and powerful in your integrity, when you feel what your path is like if your path can include the protection of life and the upholdment of women and the turning toward other men when they are desecrating either the women or feminine consciousness and behaving in ways that are destructive, that you must stand for the feminine by calling your own sex to account. That is one of the deeply strong ways that you can step up in a man, is help us create a world that refuses to defile the feminine.

But also, please just...if you have a company, let your company be a company that becomes a restorer company. Get everybody to start giving back. Give back to trees. Grow your own forest. If you are wealthy, how much can you give back? Can you recognize that you have colossal capacity to restore life. What are your savings saving? Help them save something.

There is so much that we need the men to do in terms of waking up to how this world needs to change and bringing their brilliance and their gifts forward on behalf of life.

Kozo: Beautiful, Clare. There is always one last question we like to end with. You know, ServiceSpace is a very kindness, listening type organization, but people are typing in in all caps, which I've never seen. I just want to read two of them.

On says, "OUTRAGEOUS! COUNT ME IN." Another says, "TRUE, TRUE, TRUE." And we have somebody who just donated to Treesisters and sent in their confirmation. Almost like proof that they donated to Treesisters. Obviously, the impact is huge.

We have one last question that we ask all guests on Awakin Calls, and that is how can we as the ServiceSpace community serve your work and help you? Obviously, we are all going to start contributing monthly to Treesisters, but what else can we do to help you on your journey?

Clare: Oh! I just want to say, when I talk about fierce love, when you said what is easy for you? Speaking the way I just have, giving me a platform to love like this, to share my love, to dare to speak my truth, to let this love come through. I just want to say, thank you. It makes me want to weep. I love ServiceSpace so much, I can't really talk about you. I think what you are doing is miraculous.

I want the all the whole Treesisters network to know ServiceSpace and all the different things that you are doing. So thank you for giving me this opportunity. Thank you to all of you that are listening and to all of you that are writing in in caps. That is fabulous. Thank you to all of you that are donating. I hope every single one of you will understand, it is a privilege to wake up to the opportunity that we have to restore our world. It is a privilege. It is nothing that is being taken from you. When you give to the environment, you are giving back to yourself. You are giving to the future. You are giving to your children. It is a gift to yourself to gift the world.

To ServiceSpace, the more we can get this interview out the in whatever way we can to let our voice be heard, I would love to get the inner journey of awakening out into the network. Because the inner journey of awakening has rocked people's world. And it is because it is the sacred geometry. And the sacred geometry was not my idea, it was also given in the same way the whole project was. So we have an ancient tool, an ancient technology that is underpinning this, which is a logic that just works. And what we have crated in that is beautiful. People that have gone through it have been changing their jobs, changing their lives, turning their lives upside down because they don't just feel kind of awakened, they also feel capable because they are within a supported sisterhood.

So they've got the support system. They have gone through what I would call an initiation. It is an initiation journey, the inner journey of awakening. So I would love support to get that out. And to find different ways of partnering with you because my whole worldview of how we survive what is coming is based on the wisdom of the forest floor. And that is that every tree is upholding every other tree. There is no single organization, no single tree, no single organism. Every one is communicating through the mycelial network with everybody else. Everybody is nourishing each other. Everybody is sharing their nutrients, their wisdom, their compassion, their love, their networks, because we are all trying to turn the human compass away from fear and greed and selfishness towards our natural state of love and interconnectivity.

A relationalism where the only thing to do is to take care of each other and our planet. So anyways in which we can bring our networks together, so that the strengths that we have can nourish each other to fulfill on our unique visions, I am up for any exploration. But mostly, in this moment, I just want to say to everybody, please let your hearts break, let your hearts break. Put your forehead on the ground and wail for the loss of our species that are going, for the ocean in the state that it is in, for the eighty percent of our coral being dead or dying, for so many tree species leaving, for the forest fires, for the catastrophes, because when you let your heart break, you let your love have you. You let the love that you are begin to be able to turn your life towards one that can only be a living contribution. And when you are that, you will make sense to yourself in a way that you never have before. And it will be a work of art as a life. But your grief will take you there, because your grief is your path to the deepest love of your soul.

Kozo: Wow! Angela.

Angela: I'm just going to say a few closing remarks. Just when you were talking about the men, I kept feeling three words which is contribute, all men can contribute to I heard you encourage all men to grow in consciousness as we women are. And I thought, be kind to every woman in your life. The kinder men are to women the kinder women are to men. And that kindness, just that sheer kindness, enables us to come home to ourselves, that we may do the culture, that we may truly birth the culture of restoration.

And just as I began in prayer, I just want to say two quotes from Gandhi. Gandhi said, "Prayer is not an old woman's idle amusement. Properly understood and applied it is the most potent instrument of action." And he also said, "Prayer from the heart can achieve what nothing else in the world can." So perhaps in the way we don't really know what a woman is or a tree is, we really don't know what prayer is. So often people say, "Don't just pray, do something." But when you are praying from your heart, you are initiating action that as Lord Alfred Tennyson said, "more good has been wrought by prayer than this world dreams of." So I encourage us all to pray for Clare, to hold her in our heart, to hold Treesisters, knowing that there is a volunteer coordinator that is already being called forward and every other position that is needed. That can come forth through a listening, the listening that Clare has done, a listening that so many of us on this call are doing. From our own inner listening, the resources reveal themselves.

I was so excited to do this call, and I know why now. I just bless you deeply and completely, and each of us has the power to bless each other, and blessing lead to extraordinary outcomes.

Thank you. Thank you, Kozo. Thank you, Clare.

Kozo: Thank you both. So I was feeling a bit hesitant about this call because I saw the feminine nature of it. And I was like, "What am I suppose to do here?" So I want to thank you both for allowing me as a man into this intimate conversation, into this powerful, necessary conversation, and to be a fly on the wall, and just listen to the necessity of this consciousness.

It is just an honor. It is just an honor for me to hear this. Clare, it is funny how you said when you got in the accident and you heard this masculine voice speaking to you and laying things out for you. Right here in this call, I hear this feminine voice speaking to me and laying things out for me and saying, "This is what you are going to do for the rest of your life." So thank you very much. It has been amazing to just sit and listen.

Obviously, this conversation will continue. The ServiceSpace community is deeply moved by this call and we will continue to intertwine our roots together with you and your organization, Clare.

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