Notes from Wednesday's Circle of Sharing:
Couple questions: quote from Kosmos journal. in what were the formative experience she listed 4 things. 1) I was three or four lved n afarm no running water or elec really had to rely on nature. used to have a playmate horse and tao- interesting thing was she was the only one who could see it. very real to her. she grew up in montanaremembers being very connected to living things. in her late 20s she decides to work with physically challeeged in svere ways but no institutionalised and learned to communicate without words. got a phD- before that she moved to native american reservation and learned te value of collective wisdom and connection to nature.
fourth thing- she got her phd in something or another and created this process of dialogue and continues to learn from that. one of the questions i leave is: what is the formative experience of your life that shaped your beliefs or values. another question: asleep or dreaming? final questio we're all connected across time and space in so many ways. question for the newletter if you had to express kindness to someone physcically far away how would you do it?
viral: concept of dialogue in away what we have here an intersting form of dialogue is interesting whatkinds of things arise and what i'm learning from what i'm experinecing in work is there's a faith that needs to be there in order for dialogue to arise. am coming into this project arwy as fresh eyes and looking at what are the things we need to achieve and it's interesting through the process of stepping back you find new things that trigger new things in other people. what happens in a conversation- one of the experiences i had a ot in formal ylearning years in the process of describing it to someone a solution arises a different part of pur brin gets actiated in explantation. research. one of the things that struck me was arising to the practice of the day and night was thining of what that meant and it reminded me that there is a kind of reassertion of that intent to practice whether it is daily hourly minutely or memetly there is an arising of that intention. i remember wathching waking life and one of the questions posed in it is are we sleep walking through are waking moments or - lucidity is the state of dreaming with awareness so you can control your dreams. stanford lucidity inst train execs to lucid dream and try out your scenarios because your subconscious knows more than you.
seema: not realated to quote. in this dialogue everyone says positive things and i can;t imagine people saying they hate the quote it's because the quotes are positive- why would you disagree with something positive. negativeity gives you a ot more room to be negative in response.
manoj: difficult quote for me. maybe listening can explain it
valerie: took me awhile to put my arms aorund it. are we awake or not i question thatall thetime and there are certainmoments when you feel awake and there and there are times when your life just passes you by and you can;t explain it it's odd...
sashi: legitimate reason to pass first time here quick comment: dreaming and awake some moments seem to last hours and others that go fleetingly by.
ambika going to pass for now
nina the part i like the best was when they talked about beginning the practice of the day and if you cna think of the day as how we practice we can see it as an opportunity
bala: dreaming that kids cont the next day
ragu: this quote to me is more like sometime when you talk to someone days later you don't remember the ontent but it leaves behind a certain energy in you. i read rebecca years ago the opening is about a woman walking into the woods and that remained with me for years this quote leaves behind a certain green fresh image in the heart the thing about what one can do for someone at a distance: thebrining to the person's attention things that are difficult face to face if you send something they can readit at their leisure. lucid dreaming: an example a friend told me- this guy came and told people he could contol his dreams and he discovered it himself because he was dreaming that he was swalkingin themountians and there was snow al aournd and he was wearing a tshirt and asking hmself why he wasn't cold. devised alot of methods i can influence certain blips in my dreams. another story is about: Jesus CEO a book title. wman having a dream chased by a lion sweating oanting lion standing at her head roaring and she yells are you going to eat me and the lion says this is your dream you decide.
manju: person who wrtote must be in a rich environemnt. it would be interssting for an industrial person to talk abt the same expereince. am takin a vedanta class. the dream state is what the universe was created in we are creating universes every time we go to sleep. that;s how god created the universe thats what we're doing every night.
this monday someone asked me this question. wats the formative thing)
george: is ineresting the question ab dreaming or not carlos cast in his books about don juans teachings they call a section the art of dreaming when they try and manipulate dreams so they can gain cntrol over thmselves and thier environment- if in our waking life we attemptt o control things what are the relationships there it seems like the quote in a sense is saying to not affect it but to observe and be it awre amaybe that is - gently down the stream life is but a dream. a very qise poem.
nisha: beautiful thought every morning i try to wak up to my practive but thier are days i forget or days when even when i look at it it doesn't have the impact- thaart of practicing is the only thing this reinforces that feel awake whenerver i am in good energy space day or night and i have glimpses of what he is talking abt light and heavy and driting its very epaceful but when energy is not high im not able to be anywhere near this beautiful way of sleeping and waking. last ewek i artifically stretched myself out redoing tickets and put my life in suspension and didnt do anything cherries rganes really ashamed for ife not lived in those two days.
thank you. i seem to need thess reminders to ratcvcer the whole- ive got back a lot more and was amazed that i di- vivekanad says (i didn't know i had that identituy
vijay: i'd rather control my waing life and leave dreams on autopilot. i'd just wish that i could make them continue but i wouldn't want to desgn the dream- its hard enough to control waking life. on the formative years the key thing i've observed is that your core persoality is determined by the age of 8 or so and ive obsered that in my kids and its a functions of neihgbors envronment and school am sure theres a butterfly effect in this process - haven't figured out that part yet so if you ahevlet me no.
mita- i think alot of it is about being prsent when youre awake.very tactile in its imagery connecting the concept with your phelping people far away wishing them good thoughts
dreamer dream share dreams eric
neeta dogs hike trails
micahel: honored to be here its my first ime. have heard the theory that dreaming is a product of the subconsc trying to work out anxieties and problems and you get images and ideas off of that. and that's true not just during the night but during the day things bubbling up from your subcon. im a mathem and have definitely ahd the experience of wakin up to have the problem solved. sleep pon it peopel say and it made me think about how on
'es thoughts are in a bg sense going on their own beyond our control and in relation to other people not to be so harsh in judging what tey think or say becuase in a sense a lot of that is jst going on on its own.
neeta: am hnored to be here first time
sonesh: don't have anything to say abt te quote. formative exper as very limited landmark few events i think in addition many normal average moments can have the same transformative power and it depends how open we are in that moment two or three days ago i was feeling really really sad and was loooking at my feet not paying attnetion andi didn't have a good expression smile young man smile. looked up and it was a homeless guy in berkeley. and he said good now keep smiling and keep walking. in a fine state if someone had said that i wou;ldn't have thought about it- i would have lost the transformative power of that...so many moments going on what am i losing. waking life first day first time wow cool later total trash. ongoing now is now.
kripa: article in NY times about a story of a housemaid who had been a housemaid for a very long time. as she was groing up her father married her off to someone twice her age strangles her sister has three kids - comes across a retired professor who gives her a paper and pen and she writes her whole life story down it's published in english as well and the interesting part is just what she went through without the sense of rage and anger and reminds me of how strongthe human spirit s what happens when you are surrounded by so much negativity and can still find peace and share your story without anger.
hafiz: i felt the author took a step back from her own body she could feel herself going into the dream state and coming out of it...we wake up with a thud also made me think of how many evels of dreams can we have and when do the levels stop in our dream can we have a dream
next i can dream of something for three monthsin a row i have peculiar dreams. entire lifestory of a baseball player i lay fantasy baseball.. i can continue the dream on my way to office don;t know why. when im mediating can hear the tick of the clock now i can't.
santosh: relly enjoyed the quote. its a good reminder to take advantage of the days. i am not an early waker have the leisure of waking when i fel like but now i have an alarm clock that wakes me up at 4 every morning. (kicking).
pratiba: hearing this passage was reminded of what happens in nature everyday dawn and dusk and the experience is if we choose to experience it that way but if we just hurry on we miss it.
umesh: i have two very young children now so i haven't slept much less dreamt for the last three years but i think what george said is important i had one lucid dream and it was exciting powerful and scary because n the dream state you think you can use your powers of logic but they don't apply so i think if you can observe as opposed to tryihng to control i think youcan do more.
rishi: one diff between people who are really aware are more able to interpret their enviromnnet but in a dream youre bocking off the external. when you're awake youre taking in more not just like a sage up in the mountains.
i used to lucid dream as a kid all the time and i don't know- it's fun i guess. i think people prolly do it more than they realize. if you wake up naturally you'll naturally have waken up after your dream is done. if you sleep erratically and wake up in themiddle you;; definitely know what was going on.
janani: i dn't know abt lucid dreaming - i seem to be in a twilight zone all the time and i can't imagine a time when i can stay real about maternity because i can find so many ways to stay connected to my mom after being seriously separated from her geographically. i ahven't failed much in life except in
dinesh: the way i grew up dreaiming has a negative connotation my mohter would say either you're afraid of something thats why you're dreaming or you need a laxative.
karen: am very interstd in dreams andtook some classes in it and most teaching these classes say you can ifnd out everything about youself if you undestand your dreams. you really cant get up in themornnig and write 45 pages and do anything else. ive had a lot of lucid dreams and if you want to remember your dreams you canif you have the intetnion but you may not like it. tried atape recorder to time consuming. interesting that some say its everything others not.
mummy: how do you reach someone who is far: by sending our good energy or good wishes. do it out of a pure space like meditation or doing an act of kindness for that person. butterfly effect.
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