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The Boss And The Attendants, by TKV Desikachar

FaceBook  On Jul 27, 2017 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Intellect gives us the discerning power-gives us wisdom ( or Panya)--helps us to distinguish between right and wrong actions. However the intellect acquires its power when the mind is quiet. We acquire this discerning power when the mind is quiet since we look at things with the help of intellect through the prism or lens of mind. We can not see things clearly when our prism or lens is clouded. It is important to tame or quieten the mind  in order for us to acquire discerning power. Our mind is always under constsnt agitation--lots of thoughts bouncing around--just like Brownian motion. These random thoughts take away our Wisdom. Finally I think that we often loosely use the term heart instead of mind--it is a part of our physical existence that regulates blood flow in our body. Probably we mean mind when we use the word heart. Similarly we often end up using the word brain instead of intellect.

 

Absurd Heroism, by Margaret Wheatley

FaceBook  On Jan 19, 2016 Sanjeev wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciSF0vX6pMw&feature=youtu.be

everyone needs to contribute for the betterment of society..Delhi has shown it at experiential level..

 

A Bigger Container, by Charlotte Joko Beck

FaceBook  On Jun 23, 2015 Sanjeev wrote:

This passage basically says that we are spiritual beings having a human experience. Spiritually, w are an infinite container. Physically, we are limited in time and space. This container keeps on becoming bigger as we we grow outward from physical space to mind space, from mind space to intellect space & intellect space to spiritual space. As we grow spiritually, we develop an ability to see life as it is that helps to become a better person. We end up seeing impurities or vices in physical & mental space. It is like going out of system and observe things from outside to see impurities in system

 

Not Minding What Happens, by Eckhart Tolle

FaceBook  On Jun 12, 2015 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 This passage is short and simple but there is deeper meaning hidden in it. There is reason to whatever happens in our lives. It is a Karma theory--Theory of Cause & Effect.  There are also a number of external factors that are not in our control. This reminds me of my sailing days. While sailing you have to be very alert regarding wind direction, water waves etc. You do not think why wind changed direction or as to why water waves came. You constantly keep looking for them and take corrective action. You simply accept the reality of the moment and act accordingly. We have control over our present and we should act wisely in our present.

 

Love is the Source of Fearlessness, by Margaret Wheatley

FaceBook  On Jun 3, 2015 Sanjeev wrote:

 "Love" is an abstract concept. "Love" can be for a cause--for instance Love for country or Love for an idea--that is very common in silicon valley--people take risk and start a new venture or enterprise because they are in "Love" with an idea. It comes in different flavors. Every being has four layer of existence--physical, subtle than physical is mind, subtle than mind is intellect and subtle than intellect is the soul. The love for a cause can exist in any one of the four layers--however the power of "Love" and fearlessness goes up with higher intensity as you move up in the ladder from Physical self to Spiritual Self.

 

A Strange Predicament, by Pavithra Mehta

FaceBook  On May 17, 2015 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Everyone is a spiritual being having a human experience- each experience is different.

 

Mistake of Immense Proportion, by Jacob Needleman

FaceBook  On May 13, 2015 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Outer World is an Extension of Inner World--Material World and Inner World are made of same sub-atomic particles. Problem happens when start looking for happiness in the outer world--when in reality happiness can be found in the inner world itself. Both inner World and Inner World are governed by the same set of rules. Sin is one when violate the rules of the nature--that govern both inner and outer world. For instance, we eat unhealthy then we suffer. Similarly when violate rules in the outer world then imbalance in the nature happens and as a consequence planet and all of us living in the planets suffer.  Probably this should be the right decision of SIN. SIN is merely a mistake when we escape punishment :-)

 

Force of Kindness, by Sharon Shalzberg

FaceBook  On Apr 30, 2015 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Kindness is an abstraction of positive thoughts and ideas. When you think positive then positive energy is emitted through you at sub-atomic level--you become like an antenna sending positive vibrations all around your existence in this universe. You become kind to your own existence at physical, emotional, intellectual & spiritual levels. You then try to do kind things to everyone at all four dimensions of your existence. Let each of us become kind in all four dimensions and spread positivity around us through our strengths in four dimensions.

 

Entertainment Vs. Art, by Lariv Athem

FaceBook  On Jan 13, 2011 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

Very Interesting passage! This inspired me to put my all time favorite quote on "dancing"--a popular art that entertains also :-)

"Your purpose in life isn't to arrive at a destination where you find inspiration, just as the purpose of dancing isn't to end up at a particular spot on the floor. The purpose of dancing--and of life--- is to enjoy every moment and every step, regardless of where you are when the music ends." 

Sanjeev
 

Embracing the Mystery of Uncertainty, by Alan Briskin

FaceBook  On Dec 30, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

Somik, Thanks for summarizing the discussions from yesterday's talk by Rev. Heng Sure. I left a bit early since I did not to stay very late--your excellent summary helped me a lot to catch up with later part of discussions. I would like to respectfully differ on certain issues and represnt a very different perspective to certain points that came during discussions. The discussions on gods ( with the lower case), referred to as the "devas" without giving enough background was a disappointment. The language of heaven and hell as well as doctorines associated with this language have their origin in the monotheistic religion of the Abrahmic tradition. There is no mention of this in Vedic Philosophy. It was later adopted in our Puranic books--the origin was from some where else. The concept of Devas enjoying all  kind of things that they did not have on earth was an attempt to fool ignorant people. In a certain faith, drinking is bad on earth but heavens have rivers of wine. Same is true in Purans--heaven where Devas enjoy Som Ras ( Wine). This whole concept of Devas and Heaven was a tool to exploit poor people. This has nothing to do with spirituality and Vedic Philosophy. I would like to further point out that Vedic philosophy is monotheistic. The word "Deva" is from the Sanskrit language meaning "a being of brilliant light"--for example Sun referrred to as Deva in Veda. I will quote from Vedic literature that shows that the terms "Devas" were used to described various attributes of the same God--known as "Ohm" in Vedas. "AUM is the Great God who is Omnipresent (like ether)" Yajur Veda XL-17 "He is called Brahma--the Creator of the Universe; Vishnu-All-Prevading; Rudra-Punisher of the wicked; Shiva-Vlissful and Benefactor of all; Akshara-Imoortal, Omnipresent;Swarat-Self effulgent; Kalagni-Cause of the dissolution of the world and regulator of time; Chandrama-the source of H  See full.

Somik,

Thanks for summarizing the discussions from yesterday's talk by Rev. Heng Sure. I left a bit early since I did not to stay very late--your excellent summary helped me a lot to catch up with later part of discussions. I would like to respectfully differ on certain issues and represnt a very different perspective to certain points that came during discussions.

The discussions on gods ( with the lower case), referred to as the "devas" without giving enough background was a disappointment. The language of heaven and hell as well as doctorines associated with this language have their origin in the monotheistic religion of the Abrahmic tradition. There is no mention of this in Vedic Philosophy. It was later adopted in our Puranic books--the origin was from some where else. The concept of Devas enjoying all  kind of things that they did not have on earth was an attempt to fool ignorant people. In a certain faith, drinking is bad on earth but heavens have rivers of wine. Same is true in Purans--heaven where Devas enjoy Som Ras ( Wine). This whole concept of Devas and Heaven was a tool to exploit poor people. This has nothing to do with spirituality and Vedic Philosophy.

I would like to further point out that Vedic philosophy is monotheistic. The word "Deva" is from the Sanskrit language meaning "a being of brilliant light"--for example Sun referrred to as Deva in Veda.

I will quote from Vedic literature that shows that the terms "Devas" were used to described various attributes of the same God--known as "Ohm" in Vedas.

"AUM is the Great God who is Omnipresent (like ether)" Yajur Veda XL-17

"He is called Brahma--the Creator of the Universe; Vishnu-All-Prevading; Rudra-Punisher of the wicked; Shiva-Vlissful and Benefactor of all; Akshara-Imoortal, Omnipresent;Swarat-Self effulgent; Kalagni-Cause of the dissolution of the world and regulator of time; Chandrama-the source of Happiness.: Kaivalya Upanishad

"All the Vedas and Shastras declare AUM as the primary and natural name of God. All others are his secondary names." Manduk Upanishad.

Gita and Budha

I found the question regarding Gita and Budhha very interesting and amusing. I have to be honest here--I think that Budhhism provides a path of escapism.  I am sure a Budhhist monk would have advised Arjun to run away from batte field and meditate in Forest. Krishna first used the path of diplomacy with Duryodhana but he realized that war was the only way out. I do not think that Arjun did not want to fight just because he was standing against his relatives--he was coward. King Ram also had sent a yogi and diplomat Hanuman to Ravan for a truce but Ravan did not get the message--Ram then went for War--in this case Ravan was not related to Ram. Ancient Vedic wisdom says that if diplomacy does not work then you have to go for  War as a last resort.

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Embracing the Mystery of Uncertainty, by Alan Briskin

FaceBook  On Dec 28, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

I liked this passage...it sends an important message to all of us. All the living beings are connected to each other at spiritual level. If we are at peace with ourselves then we raditae positive energy and vibes and that impacts everyone who comes in our close vicinity--it does not matter whether they are fellow human beings, animals or plants.

Similarly, if we live in a society that has lot of unrest and turbulence then that impacts us also. A successful society is one that cares about each other. This gives us a spiritual principle:

"One should see one's own greatest wlefare as residing in the welfare of others."

Sanjeev

 

Individual and Social Ethics, by Bertrand Russell

FaceBook  On Dec 25, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Pancho, Thanks for summarizing your thoughts so nicely. Probably you should become our guest speaker in one of our wednesday meditation. I liked the way you presented your thoughts. The true spirituality is about connecting with one self--meditation helps us in this process. You have summarized it so nicely: "May all become compassionate,courageous and wise" True spirituality is about becoming compassionate, truthful and honest human being--in fact we can add a lot to this long list of virtues. Also I agree that Nature is our great Guru--the keen observation of nature with meditative mind has led to lot of discoveries in physical and spiritual sciences.  You then mentioned that Conscience is our Guru-Meditation helps us in this process--when we sit quietly then we connect to our "True Self" or conscience--we see ourselves in "pure" or "true"  form. In fact, word "Mantra" means state of deep meditation and most of the discoveries-both in physical and spiritual world- happens through "Mantra" or deep meditation. Ancient Rishis ( or professors) made lot of discoveries through "Mantra" or deep meditation. "Mantra" is not about reading a "hymn" in Sanskrit--when we say that certain event or discovery happened through a "Mantra"--that basically means that a certain Rishi or professor discovered certain mystery in the physical or spiritual science through deep meditation or research--not much different from the discoveries made by present day "PhD" student or researcher. The books on spiritual sciences such as "Gita", "Guru Granth Sahib", "Vedas" and "Upanishads" are also our Guru since they guide us in the  discovery of "Mystical"  world of spiritual sciences. [...]  I just want to make some clarifications here. I am not presenting any theory or new interpretation of "V  See full.

 Pancho,

Thanks for summarizing your thoughts so nicely. Probably you should become our guest speaker in one of our wednesday meditation. I liked the way you presented your thoughts.

The true spirituality is about connecting with one self--meditation helps us in this process. You have summarized it so nicely:

"May all become compassionate,courageous and wise"

True spirituality is about becoming compassionate, truthful and honest human being--in fact we can add a lot to this long list of virtues.

Also I agree that Nature is our great Guru--the keen observation of nature with meditative mind has led to lot of discoveries in physical and spiritual sciences. 

You then mentioned that Conscience is our Guru-Meditation helps us in this process--when we sit quietly then we connect to our "True Self" or conscience--we see ourselves in "pure" or "true"  form.

In fact, word "Mantra" means state of deep meditation and most of the discoveries-both in physical and spiritual world- happens through "Mantra" or deep meditation. Ancient Rishis ( or professors) made lot of discoveries through "Mantra" or deep meditation. "Mantra" is not about reading a "hymn" in Sanskrit--when we say that certain event or discovery happened through a "Mantra"--that basically means that a certain Rishi or professor discovered certain mystery in the physical or spiritual science through deep meditation or research--not much different from the discoveries made by present day "PhD" student or researcher.

The books on spiritual sciences such as "Gita", "Guru Granth Sahib", "Vedas" and "Upanishads" are also our Guru since they guide us in the  discovery of "Mystical"  world of spiritual sciences.

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I just want to make some clarifications here. I am not presenting any theory or new interpretation of "Vedas" or "Mantra". The word "Veda" has come from sanskrit word "Vid" or Knowledge. Vedic hymns are called "Mantra" because the spiritual knowledge in these books was acquired through deep research or meditation by Rishis or Professor in the field of Spiritual sciences. 

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The Sanskrit word mantra- (m.; also n. mantram) consists of the root man- "to think" (also in manas "mind") and the suffix -tra, designating tools or instruments, hence a literal translation would be "instrument of thought".

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Individual and Social Ethics, by Bertrand Russell

FaceBook  On Dec 23, 2010 sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Somik,  thanks for a your thoughtful and detailed reply. I guess that we have to sometime sit together and discuss the issues in detail. Sometimes, it is not that easy to discuss spiritual issues over the message board. In addition, I am not good at writing long emails. Anyway, let me summarize my thoughts and we could take our discussions further when we next meet in person. I am against organized religion because it is relatively a new concept--may be few thousand years old. There is no mention of word "Hindu" in anyone of the so called Hindu scriptures-Vedas, Gita, Ramayan etc. Gita and Vedas talk about Manav Dharma and do not address a particular sect or community. We limit the scope of a book on spirituality to a section of society once we start using word "Holy" before that.  This does not happen in the world of physical sciences and this has lead to the tremendous progress in the realm of physical sciences. Like Physical science, spiritual science is also for the benefit of humanity and should be shared and should not be associated with an organized religion or sect. I believe that Physical science has its limitations--even characteristics of sub-atomic particles are known through inference and one needs the help of spiritual science to look at the world subtler than sub-atomic particles. We can go into that world through practice of meditation and Yogic sciences. I think that there is a bit of confusion when we talk of  "Mysticism". Respected Haricharn Das ji made a very interesting observation--no one would believe him if he could travel on a space ship to Galaxies come back to the earth and tell people about his experiences--I agree with him on that--there are still some people who do not believe that man ever went to moon. If a master or enlightened person comes to me and says that enlightenment is like seeing million suns at the same time then I would believe him.  I believe in this kind of &quo  See full.

 Somik,  thanks for a your thoughtful and detailed reply.

I guess that we have to sometime sit together and discuss the issues in detail. Sometimes, it is not that easy to discuss spiritual issues over the message board. In addition, I am not good at writing long emails. Anyway, let me summarize my thoughts and we could take our discussions further when we next meet in person.

I am against organized religion because it is relatively a new concept--may be few thousand years old. There is no mention of word "Hindu" in anyone of the so called Hindu scriptures-Vedas, Gita, Ramayan etc. Gita and Vedas talk about Manav Dharma and do not address a particular sect or community. We limit the scope of a book on spirituality to a section of society once we start using word "Holy" before that.  This does not happen in the world of physical sciences and this has lead to the tremendous progress in the realm of physical sciences. Like Physical science, spiritual science is also for the benefit of humanity and should be shared and should not be associated with an organized religion or sect.

I believe that Physical science has its limitations--even characteristics of sub-atomic particles are known through inference and one needs the help of spiritual science to look at the world subtler than sub-atomic particles. We can go into that world through practice of meditation and Yogic sciences.

I think that there is a bit of confusion when we talk of  "Mysticism". Respected Haricharn Das ji made a very interesting observation--no one would believe him if he could travel on a space ship to Galaxies come back to the earth and tell people about his experiences--I agree with him on that--there are still some people who do not believe that man ever went to moon. If a master or enlightened person comes to me and says that enlightenment is like seeing million suns at the same time then I would believe him.  I believe in this kind of "Mysticism"--I believe that Yogic science teaches us how to reach there and there are people, who have reached there. It is not easy but possible--it is about going in a world subtler than sub-atomic particles.

However, I would not believe in miracles seen through naked eyes. I think that Physical science can explain everything that we see from our eyes. For instance, our mythology says that Prahalad was thrown in to the fire and nothing happened to him--this kind of things are unbelievable and I refuse to believe them--the Dharma of Fire is to burn and it will burn irrespective of whether  the body thrown into Fire is that of a godly person or sinner. Physical science can not explain things that are subtler than sub-atomic particles--you have to go to spiritual scientist for that. However, it can explain most of the things that we through naked eyes. I agree that there can be some unknown things and God will let us know about those things through in course of time through some scientist in future.

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Individual and Social Ethics, by Bertrand Russell

FaceBook  On Dec 23, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Somik,

 

Thanks for capturing the important points from yesterday's talk. I also really enjoyed respected Haricharan Das ji's talk and  was impressed by him.

However, I guess that we need to talk a bit more about "mysticism". For instance, it was difficult for me to believe the story regarding the column of light that he saw in his Guru during his birthday celebration. I would like to be proven wrong. I had heard these kind of stories about other Gurus also but I have never had this sort of personal experience. Sometimes, my feeling is that some followers of Gurus treat their Gurus as God and start seeing super natural powers in them. For instance, I recently met San Rajinder Singhji Maharaj ( www.sos.org) and I heard similar stories about him from his followers. I am also following his Path but I do not see God in him like his other followers.

 

I do believe in the existence of spiritual people, who bring to us the science of spirituality but I only see in them a spiritually advanced person-not God. These people are much closer to God than many of us are.  

Sanjeev

 

Individual and Social Ethics, by Bertrand Russell

FaceBook  On Dec 23, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

It was interesting to listen to thoughts of guest others and others on wednesday meditation.

Someone mentioned that she was new to spirituality. My feeling is that everyone is spiritual. Anyone, who is connected to his/her spirit is a spiritual person..anyone who is truthful, honest or has compassion in spiritual. If you have element of aforementioned virtues then you are a spiritual person. I have not met a single peson, who is a personification of all vices or devil--similalrly I have not seen or met any person, who is a personification of all virtues or God.

Couple of weeks back, i quoted a hymn from Yajusveda that says--God is perfect, formless and unborn. I tend to agree with this notion. Humans can not be perfect and hence I do not believe in the notion of Avatar or reincarnation of God in human form. personalities like Ram, Krishna, Gandhi were great souls but they were not perfect--they all made mistakes in their lives.

My spirtual training has taught me to do "Charitra" Puja ( emulate great people-learn from their lives) not "Chitra" Puja ( worshipping of pictures or idols).. If you want to worship Ram then become courageous like him and fight against injustice.

I fully agree with Respected Dineshji regarding his question on mysticism. I have met many Gurus but i have not seen any miracles with my own eyes--my feeling is that all this talk of miracles is nothing but illusion. I beleive in great masters and Gurus but I do not believe in any miracles. Every one is bound by the Physical laws or Nature--again created by God. Respected Haricharn Das ji mentiojned that Nature was also a Guru. I agree with him on this but I do not belive that any Guru or Master can do something that goes against the physical laws.

 

Building a Creative Temple, by Martin Luther King, Jr.

FaceBook  On Dec 13, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Catherine, You should look at the commentary on Gita by Swami Chinmayananda.   I do not like to use term "Lord" before Krishna since he was a Yogi and Scholar of Vedic literature and according to Yajurveda: He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always. He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8) There are lot of metaphors used in Gita. For instance Professor Krishna states in Gita that noble and spiritual souls are born to again and again to show the people the path of righteousness--some people misinterpreted it to mean that Krishna was "God" himself.   God sends us the knowledge of Physical sciences through Prophets like Newton & Einstein and Spiritual sciences through Prophets like Krishna.   See full.

 Catherine,

You should look at the commentary on Gita by Swami Chinmayananda.   I do not like to use term "Lord" before Krishna since he was a Yogi and Scholar of Vedic literature and according to Yajurveda:

He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always.

He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)

There are lot of metaphors used in Gita. For instance Professor Krishna states in Gita that noble and spiritual souls are born to again and again to show the people the path of righteousness--some people misinterpreted it to mean that Krishna was "God" himself.

 

God sends us the knowledge of Physical sciences through Prophets like Newton & Einstein and Spiritual sciences through Prophets like Krishna. 

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Building a Creative Temple, by Martin Luther King, Jr.

FaceBook  On Dec 12, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:
Catherine, Sometimes you have to assert if you are in the right path or path of dharma. You can find answer to your questions in the theis of Professor Krishna, who was a great political and spiritual scientist in ancient India. His thesis is popularly known as Holy Gita--there is nothing Holy about the book-this is a great book on political and spiritual sciences and every word in this book is a gem. King Arjuna had also his doubts and Profesor Krishna tells him to fight for justice or Dharma. Sanjeev
 

Building a Creative Temple, by Martin Luther King, Jr.

FaceBook  On Dec 8, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Catherine, It is a very deep topic and I can send you you very interesting articles on this issue. Mind is in fact a sub-atomic particle. Anyway, Yoga basically means union of body, mind and soul. In fact,  there is another layer of vital air between body and mind. Let me try to explain yoga principles in simple language. After performing physical pastures ( Asanas), you do pranayama ( breathing exercise). Prana ( Vital Air) has strong relationship with the mind--your mind becomes calm when your breathing is regular or rhythmic similarly after strenuous work out or when you are really angry then it becomes very fast or irregular. This clearly explains how body, prana ( vital air) and mind are related.  You then withdraw your attention from outside to inside ( shut off outer sense organs) and focus on certain point-like heart, between eye-brows etc. and meditate. Your mind becomes still and you go to the higher plane. Your mind stops wondering. The ultimate stage is Samadhi when you really  go the highest plane (soul).  This helps you with the self-analysis and helps in getting rid of your vices. Can you know the weakness of a building when you are inside the building? You go bit far from the building and then only you can see any issue with the structure of the building.  In fact most of the inventions/discoveries happen when mind is still. I heard that Archimedes had a flash on his mind when he made his discoveries.   Probably I can give one more example regarding the relationship between mind and inteligebnce planes. I guess that it is common practice in popular cartoons to show "bulb" next to the cartoon character to illustrate "an idea". Mind acts like a projection screen when you get an idea and you observe that "flash" from the "intelligence" plane. "Intelligence" is subtler than mind and it can go where even mind can not go and this nature of "intelligence" has led to lot of scientific discoveries and innovations.  See full.

 Catherine,

It is a very deep topic and I can send you you very interesting articles on this issue. Mind is in fact a sub-atomic particle.

Anyway, Yoga basically means union of body, mind and soul. In fact,  there is another layer of vital air between body and mind. Let me try to explain yoga principles in simple language. After performing physical pastures ( Asanas), you do pranayama ( breathing exercise). Prana ( Vital Air) has strong relationship with the mind--your mind becomes calm when your breathing is regular or rhythmic similarly after strenuous work out or when you are really angry then it becomes very fast or irregular. This clearly explains how body, prana ( vital air) and mind are related. 

You then withdraw your attention from outside to inside ( shut off outer sense organs) and focus on certain point-like heart, between eye-brows etc. and meditate. Your mind becomes still and you go to the higher plane. Your mind stops wondering. The ultimate stage is Samadhi when you really  go the highest plane (soul).  This helps you with the self-analysis and helps in getting rid of your vices. Can you know the weakness of a building when you are inside the building? You go bit far from the building and then only you can see any issue with the structure of the building. 

In fact most of the inventions/discoveries happen when mind is still. I heard that Archimedes had a flash on his mind when he made his discoveries.  

Probably I can give one more example regarding the relationship between mind and inteligebnce planes. I guess that it is common practice in popular cartoons to show "bulb" next to the cartoon character to illustrate "an idea".

Mind acts like a projection screen when you get an idea and you observe that "flash" from the "intelligence" plane. "Intelligence" is subtler than mind and it can go where even mind can not go and this nature of "intelligence" has led to lot of scientific discoveries and innovations.

In fact, I consider every scientist to be "prophets" of God since God reveals its secrets through the scientistics and philosphers. "Prophet" is one acts as a messenger of God--in my view Newton, Einstein were prophets of God. In ancient India, we used to attribute scientific discoveries to God and hence Vedas ( means knowledge) are revealed books and there is nothing in Vedas that goes against science. If someone claims that a book is revealed book but that book talks about certain things that are not scientific then that book can not be a revealed book.

Note that "laws of motions" existed even before the Newton was born. God chose prophet "Newton" to reveal the "Laws of Motion". These discoveries happen when mind is still and observer ( "intelligence") is looking at it from higher plane.

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Building a Creative Temple, by Martin Luther King, Jr.

FaceBook  On Dec 8, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 Catherine,

Thanks for your comments.

You wrote

"Gandhi & King were killed for their beliefs & I do not want really want this to happen to me..."

You are right in the sense that physical Gandhi and King were killed but their spirit is still alive among us and that's why we are still discussing their thoughts. We are mortals and we will all die physically one day sooner or later. According to Yoga, every living being has four kind of personalities-Physical ( body), Emotional ( Mind), Intellectual (intelligence) and spiritual ( soul): Mind is subtler than body, intelligence is subtler than mind and soul is subtler than intelligence. Noble people like Gandhi  understood this thing and that's why they did not care for physical self--same is true about various social reformers and freedom fighters. In fact even scientists also believe in this principle--sometimes they are even ready to sacrifice their sleep and ready to work long hours when they are deeply involved in their research work of higher intellectual value.

 

Building a Creative Temple, by Martin Luther King, Jr.

FaceBook  On Dec 7, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 This is an excellent passage and I really liked every single sentence in this passage.

If someone asks me to describe the relationship between humans and god then I will draw a line starting from zero to infinity and place the God at infinity. We,human beings, are different dots in the line that stretch from zero to infinity. The infinity in this metaphor represents all virtues ( 100% virtues) and we humans are combinations of virtues and vices. Our closeness to God is determined by the  proportions of virtues and vices within ourselves. Demon represents "0" in this line. The goal of life and meditation is to identify  our vices and eliminate them so that we could go closer to God ( located at infinity). I do not believe in going to temple--something to do with my Arya Samaj background also. I think real temple is our personality that has four dimensions-physical, emotional, intellectual and spiritual. There is no need for a temple once we realize this fact--i do go to Gurudwara but my main purpose there is to connect with spiritual people.

 

But It Is There, by Kent Nerburn

FaceBook  On Sep 3, 2010 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

Hello All, Again thanks for sharing an excellent passage.  I would like to further elaborate on the thoughts that I shared with you all. There is an agreement between physical science and spiritual science: infinite nature of universe and God. Now there are two questions here: 1. If we should make any effort to know something that in infinite. 2. Is it possible to do so since we are physically limited in time and space. The answer to first question is simple: there is no question of "if" here--we WILL because it is a part of human nature or Dharma--we "humans' are inquisitive by nature unlike other species--this has lead to so many scientific discoveries.  According to Vedas, the most important Manav Dharam is "acquisition of knowledge". Now let us come to the second question: How to know something that is infinite? According to Vedas every being consists of four layers: physical, Mind, Intelligence and Soul. Suppose I as a "physical self" want to go to India I can do this by buying a ticket and then boarding a plane. Mind is subtle than physical existence. My mind can go to india in split of a second. Intelligence is subtler than Mind. Mind has also some limitations since it can go only to familiar places. Human intelligence can go further than that. Human intelligence has lead to lot of scientific discoveries, discoveries of sub-atomic particles etc.  Soul is subtler than Intelligence. It can go to places where even human intelligence can not go. Here comes the real role of inner or spiritual sciences--and 'Meditation" is the means ( first step) to know that infinite entity or intelligence that we call God.  This is the main difference between Physical and Inner Sciences. Physical science tries to look for answers in the physical world and internal science tries to look for answers in the inner world. I would like to share an interesting article by Dr. Harish Chandra: "Could we have direc  See full.

Hello All,

Again thanks for sharing an excellent passage.  I would like to further elaborate on the thoughts that I shared with you all.

There is an agreement between physical science and spiritual science: infinite nature of universe and God. Now there are two questions here:

1. If we should make any effort to know something that in infinite.

2. Is it possible to do so since we are physically limited in time and space.

The answer to first question is simple: there is no question of "if" here--we WILL because it is a part of human nature or Dharma--we "humans' are inquisitive by nature unlike other species--this has lead to so many scientific discoveries.  According to Vedas, the most important Manav Dharam is "acquisition of knowledge".

Now let us come to the second question: How to know something that is infinite? According to Vedas every being consists of four layers: physical, Mind, Intelligence and Soul.

Suppose I as a "physical self" want to go to India I can do this by buying a ticket and then boarding a plane.

Mind is subtle than physical existence. My mind can go to india in split of a second.

Intelligence is subtler than Mind. Mind has also some limitations since it can go only to familiar places. Human intelligence can go further than that. Human intelligence has lead to lot of scientific discoveries, discoveries of sub-atomic particles etc. 

Soul is subtler than Intelligence. It can go to places where even human intelligence can not go. Here comes the real role of inner or spiritual sciences--and 'Meditation" is the means ( first step) to know that infinite entity or intelligence that we call God. 

This is the main difference between Physical and Inner Sciences. Physical science tries to look for answers in the physical world and internal science tries to look for answers in the inner world.

I would like to share an interesting article by Dr. Harish Chandra: "Could we have direct cognition or inference of soul?" Interestingly, Dr. Harish was chief scientist in Volkswagen before changing his focus from physical sciences to inner sciences. Here is the link:

http://www.aryanlife.com/ebooks/index.php?books=2

Have a great long weekend!

best regards,

 

Sanjeev

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Thought Power, by Swami Sivananda

FaceBook  On Nov 4, 2009 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 This is an excellent passage. Mind is an important component of our existence. According to Yogic philosophy every being consists of five layers: Physical, Vital Air (Prana), Mind, Intelligence and Self (Soul).  Prana ( Vital air) is subtle than Physical; Mind is subtle than Intelligence and Self is subtle than intelligence. Yoga basically means the union of all five layers. Yoga starts with physical exercise ( physical poses), Breathing exercise ( Vital Air) followed by Mediattion ( union with Mind) and ultimately Samadhi ( union with self). This also explains why group meditation is so powerful.

 

Sanjeev

 

 

Clinging Causes the Pain, by Tenzin Palmo

FaceBook  On Oct 14, 2009 Sanjeev Verma wrote:

 We always want to own material goods and make them our slaves--however, we end up becoming slaves to material goods. 

Sanjeev