Waking up to Wisdom
In Stillness and Community

A Realm Beyond Measurement

--by Andrew Cohen (Nov 01, 2010)

With meditation, you can't push.  Meditation is one of those things that cannot be forced.  You just have ot make yourself available, and we do that by being still, being at ease, and paying attention.  The depth you are looking for comes from letting go, not from "pushing deeper."  But in any case, you shouldn't be so concerned with how deep your experience is.  Consciousness is infinite.  You could have a more powerful, more profound experience of it, but it is still the same infinite ground that you are speaking about.  That is why, when we try to describe the experience of consciousness, words always fall short.  We might use words like "powerful", "profound", or "deep," but the words are only a metaphor, a quantification of infinity, for that which cannot be measured.  A little bit of infinity or a lot of infinity -- it's the same thing.

So you shouldn't worry about how meditation is supposed to feel, or spend too much time comparing your experience to what you may have heard from others or even to what you may have experienced yourself in the past.  You are entering into a realm where measurement doesn't mean anything.  Dwelling upon too many ideas about what meditation is supposed to be like is just a distraction from your own direct experience.  Just make yourself completely available and then see what happens.  The state of meditation is an immediate one.  It doesn't require time.  But if you're holding on to an idea of a particular kind of experience that you are convinced you need to have, you are not going to be able to see deeply into the experience that you are having right now.

Meditation -- and indeed, the recognition of enlightenment itself -- doesn't have anything to do with any kind of experience that you can imagine with the mind.  The state of meditation, which is synonymous with enlightenment, is the freedom from experience, and that freedom is always imminent.  But it does require a ceaseless willingness to relinquish any ideas you have about how it is supposed to feel.  Then you will discover the englightened mind.  It's right here.  It is always already the ground of your experience in each and every moment.

--Andrew Cohen, in "Being and Becoming"

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On Nov 2, 2010 Conrad P. Pritscher wrote:

Wonderful again. I continue to be inspired and enlightened by what ou send Nipun.  With much gratitude.


On Nov 4, 2010 Nipun wrote:

We took a break from our usual Wednesday format to have an incredible guest speaker this week -- Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi!

At the age of 23, in a rather poetic way, he became a monastic in 1967.  "I never had to struggle with the decision to become a monk. One morning I simply woke up and thought, 'Why don’t I ask Ven. Giac Duc if he could ordain me,' and that was that."  For more than 25 years, he's had a chronic headache that often makes even reading, writing, and speaking are difficult -- and with that experience, he speaks about "Pain Not Suffering".  As a revered Buddhist teacher and scholar, he is an international authority on the words of Buddha; even when leaders like Dalai Lama need clarification, they turn to Bhikkhu Bodhi.  Most recently, Bhikkhu Bodhi has taken a unusual monastic stance on service and started Buddhist Global Relief.

If attendees of the talk would like to share a reflections or notes for the benefit of everyone, please do so below.  They will be emailed out to all event participants of last Wednesday.

On Nov 4, 2010 Somik Raha wrote:

Ven. Bhikku Bodhi gave an incredible talk last night. Starting off with the story of his life, he shared how he resisted studying Buddhism initially upon finding related books in a bookstore. He finally picked it up, and found himself resonating with it. He wanted to study it formally but at that time, there was no program he knew that offered it. Later, he found out that the University of Wisconsin in Madison did offer it, but he had already enrolled in a program in western philosophy. During that program, he took a road trip with some friends that stopped at Madison for the night. In the morning, as he took a walk through the campus, he saw from the corner of his eye that a monk left a building, passed in front of him and entered another building, along with a western man. Due to his shyness, he could not get himself to meet this monk, but little did he know that he was to meet this monk only two years later, and discover a similarity in purpose (the monk translated the four Nikayas from Pali into Vietnamese, while Bhikku Bodhi has translated three of them into English). The story in its full color may be accessed here (and in a more colorful form here). Bhikku Bodhi then shared the story of the ripple effects of an editorial piece titled “Challenge to Buddhists,” where he pointed out the need for Buddhists to not just go inward, but also to serve outward. Several of his students resonated with this and founded the organization “Buddhist Global Relief,” which has been chosen by the Obama administration to be on a task force on inter-faith action.

The Q&A began, and this is when gems started pouring out one after the other. Someone shared that he was uncomfortable receiving gifts. To which, Bhikku Bodhi replied (paraphrased), “It is important to honor the giver and the space they are coming from. Remember that by honoring them, you are helping them practice giving, which is very important for their development. Often times, we get something that we don’t need. Even then, it is important to take a little bit to honor the giver. When you receive a gift, do not give it away to others immediately. Hold on to it for a little bit so that the giver’s desire to have given is fulfilled, and then you may give it to others.” This last part was a very subtle insight, of great relevance to us, especially in the CF community that places an emphasis on paying-it-forward.

This advice triggered a memory of Rev. Heng Sure at the recent CF retreat. Just after the retreat had concluded, I saw a lady who walked up to the Reverend and said, “I just love your face!” Without batting an eyelid, the Reverend responded, “What a nice thing to say!” He could have said, “Thank you!” but didn’t, and his response was all about honoring the giver of the compliment, without necessarily commenting on its receivability. It seems to me that such simple and authentic responses can only come after a lifetime of mindful practice.

Another question to Bhikku Bodhi was on the distinction between pain and suffering, of which he has personal experience, dealing with an incurable headache for over 25 years. He shared some nuanced thoughts, of which the gist is that pain should not be identified with the ego. When that mistake is committed, the pain turns into suffering, and becomes “my pain.” He also shared a deep insight that comes from meditation - that what we label as pain is not any one thing, but several undesirable sensations, arising and passing away. Meditation is a powerful tool to be able to see this for oneself, and break our revulsion to pain and develop acceptance.

On acceptance, he suggested the four big acceptances (if I remember correctly) of things that are bound to happen: The acceptance of pain, the acceptance of sickness, the acceptance of our death and the acceptance of separation from all our loved ones.  Someone asked about the role imagination and creativity, to which he responded that the Buddha didn’t have much to say on it, but if someone was creative, they should definitely use their creativity for the good of others. Another question was on scientific evidence around reincarnation, and Bhikku Bodhi talked about Dr. Ian Stevenson, who has conducted rigorous scientific study around past-life memories, and concluded that in some cases, the hypothesis of reincarnation was the simplest to accept.

My question was on the massive political confusion we see in the world, as also organizational confusion. Everyone wants to help the world, but each believes the others’ methods are flawed and actually harm. The Buddha talked about combining the heart and the head when making decisions. What are some concrete guidelines to help us do this?

Bhikku Bodhi first warned about the dangers of politics - even the best-intentioned people find themselves intertwined with all kinds of constraints where they are unable to do any good without making big compromises on their values. The very nature of politics or a position of power is such that it entraps our ego with the notion of holding sway over others. Then, he shared the Buddha’s advice, captured in the form of “Dasa Raja Dhamma” or “The Ten Guiding Values of Governance.” They were:

  1. Dana or Practicing Generosity
  2. Sila or Developing Strong Moral Character
  3. Pariccaga or Renunciation for the good of others
  4. Ajjava or adherence to telling the whole truth
  5. Maddava or kindness/gentleness  
  6. Tapa or restraint of the five senses
  7. Akkodha or non-anger - holding no grudges against anyone. Bhikku Bodhi talked about this at some length to another question that came up later. If we find ourselves faced with anger, the Buddha said that we should not speak and be silent lest we hurt others with words. We should certainly not act with anger, lest we cause irreparable harm.
  8. Ahimsa: Nonviolence
  9. Khanti: Patience and tolerance
  10. Avirodha: Non-opposition and enmity. The ruler should not oppose the will of the people

I found these ten values remarkable. By the time Bhikku Bodhi had enumerated #4, I wondered if anyone was left in the political establishments I know who would make the cut. #10 also stood out for me as a big deal - the Buddha does not distinguish between one and the many. He does not say, “do what is best for the most,” which is the governing principle behind a democracy. It seems that the only way to be consistent with #10 is to adopt an approach of noncoercion. If even half of these values are seriously practiced in an organization or a political group, that organization or group would be a shining light in the world. I found myself remembering Kautilya’s Arthashastra, a treatise on economics and governance in India, where the central focus is on developing a Rajarshi, or sage-king, with a similar set of values (with some differences :). 

Later, Bhikku Bodhi also answered the second part of my question, by suggesting the use of reflection and contemplation along with compassion before making decisions.

Finally, Nipun shared a story about CF Mom. When she was bending down to pick up a morsel of food that had fallen, she suddenly let out a shriek. Nipun was upstairs, and came down - she had pulled a muscle in her back. Nipun, being Nipun, told her, "What better way to be in pain than in the service of others." That she was glowing in the service of others is an understatement - preparing food with a pulled muscle for a 100 people with such a warm smile makes all of this a philosophy of action, and gives us great encouragement to practice it.

On Nov 4, 2010 Harshida wrote:

Somik, very well written.  I appreciate  reading it, since there were couple parts that I had to miss.  Thank you.

On Nov 5, 2010 katrina olmstead wrote:

hello  just ran across this website and with reading the blog on meditation i am impressed that this website exsists...  thankyou.

On Nov 6, 2010 Janice wrote:

There is so much sickness and suffering around us that it is clear that we are living in the last days.  Let's not waste the precious time we have by questioning God but use it to praise him for the wonderful moments we have had.  Keep the good memories alive.

On Nov 6, 2010 Chris wrote:

Very grateful for the recap of Bhikkhu Bodhi's talk, thank you Somik. I didn't get to attend myself, but I did happen to serendipitously see Bhikkhu Bodhi speak the following night. He joked that the very act of thinking can sometimes seemed to be discouraged within Buddhist circles -- "just thoughts arising and passing away" :) -- but that coming from a Western Philosophy background himself, he is prone to big-picture thinking.  :) Along those lines, one thing in particular stood out to me. He stressed the need for balance between upward and downward pulls in one's spiritual approach. Especially for meditation-heavy practices, transcendence is often stressed above all. To stay connected to the real world which we inhabit in the here and now, Bhikkhu Bodhi said that ought to balance this with a descendent path of spirituality -- one which focus on practical, down-to-earth service. He cited the "four immeasurables" as qualities that help us stay grounded and serve in tangible ways that makes this world better: loving-kindness, compassion, altruistic joy for others, and equanimity (or impartiality as he said it might also be translated).  The "earth scholar" Thomas Berry expressed a similar sentiment when he stressed the need to not be carried off one's feet by the transcendent path or sink into the ground via the descendent path, coining the term inscendence.

On Nov 7, 2010 Manasi wrote:

This Wednesday we had the honour of having Bikkhu Bodi share with us his life story. He began by introducing himself as an American in Buddhist robes; and seamlessly wove in deep insights as the story unfolded.

Bikkhu Bodi grew up in Brooklyn and it was in Brooklyn college that he first came upon Buddhism through some books on the subject. This led to a deep interest in Buddhism and soon after that he had his first encounter with a Buddhist monk.

One morning sometime between his Junior and senior year he found himself walking through the campus of the university of Wisconsin, Madison; out of the corner of his eye he noticed something rather unusual- a short man with Asian features wearing Buddhist robes. As he watched this man he became almost hypnotised, it seemed as though the glow of peace that the monk’s face radiated was quite unlike anything he had ever seen before in American society. He continued to follow the monk through the campus but couldn’t muster the courage to go talk to him.

A few years later he met another monk, this time a fellow student in grad school. As time went on he befriended this monk and finally in 1960 took ordinance as a monk himself.

Some years after this he visited LA to meet a monk (Thich Min Chau) who was visiting from Vietnam. When he met Thich Min Chau, he had a feeling that he had seen this person somewhere before, and he remembered the morning walk he had taken through the university of Madison some years earlier. When he checked with Thich Min Chau, sure enough it was the same person.

And the ‘coincidences’ don’t end here! Many years later Bikkhu Bodi found out that he was doing the same work for his country as Thich Min Chau had done for his. The major part of Bikkhu Bodi’s work through this life has been translating the four Nikayas of the Pali cannon into English while Thich Min Chau did the same in Vietnamese.

Bikkhu Bodi’s journey then took him to Sril Lanka where he met his teacher Gyanapunika. He continued to live in Sri Lanka for several years and took on his role as the editor for the Buddhist Publication Society till 2001 when his chronic migraines drew him to Singapore and finally back to the US.

Bikkhu Bodi draws his deepest wisdom from his experience dealing with his severe and consistent migraines. He speaks of pain as being different from suffering and says that while physical pain is inescapable, even inevitable, the mind can be developed so that we don’t become miserable because of physical pain.

He draws a distinction between physical pain and mental pain in that physical pain is simply a sensation in the body while mental pain is the identification of the “I” with the pain. For example, we might find ourselves saying “ I am in pain, why me?” and so on.

What was most powerful was hearing him narrate his direct and personal experience of practicing awareness even through debilitating pain by observing each sensation without identifying with it, seeing it as a learning opportunity, realising its impermanence as a flashing and vanishing sensation from moment to moment until it simply becomes one nameless momentary sensation after another and the door to freedom is opened.

We often get the opportunity to hear such advice in Dharma talks, but hearing it in the context of Bikkhu Bodi’s life and practice brought abstract teachings to reality in a way that Dharma talks could never do.

On Nov 7, 2010 Niranjana wrote:


It is really inspiring a lot,




On Nov 9, 2010 ganoba wrote:

 In marathi there is a saying, attributed to sanit Tukaram, which says,

bole taisa chale

tyachi vandeen paule.

one who  lives what he says is venerable.

to meet such a person is in deed a good fortune.

I would sit silently in such a presence absorbing everything.

On Nov 13, 2010 madhur wrote:

 It's so good to hear almost the full talk of Bikkhu Bodi and learn some profound thoughts.

Experiencing pain, dealing with it and serving others with a smile while going through pain are some most valuable teachings to think about and try to follow.

Thank you so much for sharing the same.

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