On Oct 6, 2014 Jack taylor wrote:|
This is a mutated and rather confused version of Advaita Vedanta. It is misunderstood. The purpose of the world is burning off karma and finding the joy of your true self the supreme in it, giving joy back not to be lost.
On Oct 7, 2014 david doane wrote:|
The purpose of the world is for us to be lost in it as a step to finding our way out. As Ram Dass says, this world is our curriculum to learn to transcend this world. I'm not sure how that happens. I do think it's natural, that is, it's our way as human beings -- we begin this human incarnation in a physical body and world that we are captured in and become lost in. Eventually, after enough of the kind of experiences that wake us up and shake up our perception, we become aware that this world is the manifestation of something more and deeper, something that is not a physical thing, some spirit or force behind the scene, referred to by many names such as Infinite Spirit or Soul or Source or God. We then begin to be in the world but not of it. We develop a binocular vision and living, with one eye and one foot in this world and one eye and one foot in the spiritual. We begin to find our way out and transcend the physical body and world with which we began. I think it's a long slow and often difficult process and road along which we each do some traveling. As for suffering, I don't remember a time when I thought that suffering was not necessary -- maybe when I was very young and naive. To me, suffering is part of being human. I suffer my experience, which includes my pain. I've come to realize I can suffer unnecessarily, that is, in a way that creates unnecessary pain. My hope is to grow in suffering necessarily, efficiently and gracefully.
On Oct 7, 2014 Rahul Varshney wrote:|
I like Echart Tolle's writings; they were helpful in my path of recovery. However, for those of us who have come out of the fire, is it not our duty to eradicate suffering? Do we let the world wage war and stand by idly because "well, the world needs to suffer to mature"? Last year, 500,000 Libyans, many brown and black children were blown up by nato bombs paid for by our taxes. Was this necessary suffering? 1,000,000 Iranian children died because of US sanctions on Iran. Was this necessary suffering? Then secretary of state Madeline Albright said she thought the cost "was worth it". So you see, we have people in the highest echelons of power who have a Malthusian world view -- that the population has gone out of control, "so what's the big deal if we eradicate a million or two people here or there?" We must move beyond the idea that suffering is necessary for growth. For the ignorant, yes, suffering is the only door they can walk through. I consigned my ex-wife to this fate by divorcing her. I realized the lies in our marriage would only fester and get worse. The only way to grow was to end the charade and "induce" suffering. But as for the next generation, the YOUTH, please, listen to my words, suffering is completely unnecessary. We have to the tools through social media to empower children to follow their dharma, their God-given path by simply embodying and practicing love. Love is Truth and the truth will lift us all up, regardless of creed, gender, economic status. I pray we end war and eradicate suffering from the face of this planet. We can affirm Tolle by sharing our own stories. Peace.
On Oct 7, 2014 Rahul Varshney wrote:|
Yes, exactly! "Giving joy back not to be lost" -- what a great phrase. Our Dharma our God-Given-Purpose is "burning off karma". ~~~Your dharma is to eradicate Karma~~~. This is the yin and yang of it all. I hope others can see the full picture and move on from the seat of suffering.
On Oct 7, 2014 Syd wrote:|
This is a gift in what Eckhart Tolle is expressing; this point when there is the realization suffering is unnecessary. I have my own personal brand of suffering and the shocking realization is letting it go of this suffering is not simple. Sometimes I am caught in the grip of obsession over negative thoughts, and my relentless self-reproaches become delusional thinking. If I become convinced I am utterly and permanently defective there is no ray of hope to intrude. I go around in my self-enclosed circles and I can feel my identity caught in my woundedness and with my sense of inner deficiency. I can make a lifestyle out of suffering.
Holding onto my suffering offers this tension, complaints, conflict, blaming, drama, rationalization, projection, justification and all the energy this allows. It is like if I let go of my suffering who would I be. Yet I do not want to go back into this delusional thinking where there is no ray of hope and endless suffering. In my letting go of my story and suffering is the realization my conclusion is shocking. The conclusion is shocking because there is no accomplishment or achievement. The conclusion is nothingness. This nothingness and void feels like walking of the edge of the world, like death itself.
This death is my boring life and this feels like depression, where there is no coming back to life. Just recently, though, in my “nothingness” and in my years of letting go I began to feel the satisfaction of stillness. This moment was not a feeling or even inspiration, as there was just this calm, peace and stillness. My inner void could be quiet. I also noticed I was not filling my void with suffering or my story. This emptiness paradoxically created a personal being and it seems like an identity centered in Essence. Divine awareness appeared to be the guide, rather than my projects and preoccupations of my suffering and personality.
I have discovered this stillness in the Now, as Eckhart has penetrated profoundly. It is also my discovery of this unanticipated truth. I say unanticipated because I am shocked the conclusion is “nothingness” like death itself, yet it is everything. The Now is the hidden element of stillness. It provides the key to understand the whole. This Now is like a leap from the known to the unknown, falling into the void and everything emanates from it. The void is completely empty and is full of potentiality and is everything.
On Oct 7, 2014 Jack Taylor wrote:|
Quite interesting expressions exemplifying the reason why tolle is found confusing and maze like by so many erudite experienced practicing readers, he extracts pre written adages scriptures of Advaita Vedanta, and other modern genuine authors and dilutes them with modern pop accepted contradictory personal views that are originally advised against, such as moral ambiguity, leaving an artificial version of his own, originating in his suicidal depression, a
Superficial unfulfilling projected emptiness that is devoid of the genuine spiritual experience which is an unspeakable joy. As subad Ingrid wrote, he often aligns depressed semi sociopathy and apathy with spirituality, never done in the east where it originates traditionally, in order to be user friendly. In balance, consider when a famous multi millionaire of personally owned accomplished melded works accrediting his suicidal depression with wisdom speaks of non accomplishment encouraging non productivity as spiritual, the wild irrationality of it taints the beauty of the true nectar of our true self, the source of flooding beauty into the world as rumi, and those who truly experienced stillness as love have always discovered. To balance the perspective, explore the more lucid origin of eckarts, or his birth name of origin, works in eastern scriptures from original masters who describe the ecstasy of fulfillment that floods over and through us, creatively.
On Oct 7, 2014 Susan wrote:|
Wonderful! Thanks for sharing, Joe!
On Oct 9, 2014 Jo wrote:|
Last week, one of my students posed the question, "if the sole point and purpose of my life is to know, love and serve The Lord (so that I can have life eternal with Him in Heaven), then WHY do 'earthly distractions' (WHY all the opportunities) surround me.
My response, simply, "To GLORIFY God". (Since, like it or not, we have no choice in the fact that, at this moment, we are alive and breathing on this good earth. In it/with it, we need to multiply the gifts He has given us in a way that is pleasing to Him.
This writing speaks to "the way". Who conditions me/us?
On Oct 9, 2014 me wrote:|
I can imagine you have accomplished/achieved much! Give yourself the credit due! You might have to try "seeing" your life with God's eyes and not your own. You are a teacher, for one. You are giving us a picture of your reality . . . You are teaching us . . . And this is good!
On Oct 10, 2014 Syd wrote:|
Thank you me, as you appear to be communicating how I plant seeds of my own interiority and I need to give myself credit for this. You are probably right, yet I am also doing my best to not take special satisfaction in my achievements. The reason I am not doing this because my pride gets in the way and it creates this vainglory in my goodness. My childhood background is agriculture, specifically cattle ranching, and in this environment everyone took pride in being the victor, the superior person of a stronger will. Pride was constantly at stake. Pride is also denial. It is the inability to admit I am hurting inside. Pride is even this unwillingness to acknowledge my suffering and my neediness. So in my writing I am breaking my pride as my fundamental denial.
However, denial can also deny the good, which is what you are communicating. It seems to balance this scale between denial (pride) and acceptance of my good is self-acceptance. Self-acceptance feels like the starting point that makes everything else possible. It feels like self-acceptance stops this need to be false about myself and also stops grandiose fantasies. Self-acceptance is simply acknowledging I am a limited human being and taking responsibility to develop myself within my limitations.
Acceptance, self-acceptance, is modest and direct. The energy from it is being nothing less and nothing more. Acceptance is real. Self-acceptance feels like this interior person can adapt. It feels like it is not even a matter of changing attitudes or deepening my values, but learning to have self-acceptance in what I am not. Self-acceptance embodies the real, real authenticity. It feels like you are communicating it does not matter how many accomplishments I pile up, my value is this ability to be myself, deeply and completely.
I will say, I am beginning to understand my value is not based on a particular achievement. I suspect when self-acceptance becomes my full value, with no inflated notion of myself, the depths of my heart will be expressed. This self-acceptance is learning to be truly myself and to love simply and genuinely. This love creates this flow from within and right now and it is independent of doing and even this need for an accomplishment. Everything is happening together and this freedom helps to take away suffering. It is place to rest in self-acceptance.
Your presence is significant, me, and the meaningfulness you offer is simply my learning to rest in my true identity. Your presence and your preciousness offer hope and she is in the power of the Now, as Eckhart Tolle could say. And thank you me for having a caring and good heart, as this is truly your value, your special value where you offer this dynamic hope!
On Oct 10, 2014 A friend wrote:|
Syd, I went to church yesterday (as I try to do every Thursday morning) to pray for you and others like you (me). The theme for the mass was ""Prayer" . . . Amen! I learned there, that I can pray anywhere (and I do) . . . I can pray in any position of my body (and I do) . . . I can pray using any number of prayer methods . . . . Ect.
My point and purpose for being present IN CHURCH, is to be proof "God hears our prayers" (even when we feel invisible/unaccomplished)
i am/we are "accomplished" in Him
On Oct 10, 2014 Syd wrote:|
A friend, wow, this is powerful, saying our accomplishment is in Him. Your writing appears to be a prayer itself. Your prayer offers this natural communion and your prayer makes this Presence intimate. Your prayer is like the root going back to original source, Being itself. Your prayer is a profound satisfaction to me and for all of humanity. Thank you!
On Oct 10, 2014 Blessings wrote:|
Like you, Syd . . . a prayer. God digs deep to get to our beginning.
On Oct 13, 2014 Lfm wrote:|
When I was a little child (hypersensitive that I am), I witnessed suffering and injustices all around me. Within my own home, I was amazed at how people (in their own suffering) inflicted suffering on the bigger group. (When you love someone, you don't "shoot them with arrows",) Finger pointing, "shame" and other "reducing tactics" by a sufferer certainly can't make a sufferer feel any better . . . I would think (if they were at all "other" centered) it would make them suffer even more.
In time, I learned (like you said, David) God put me in the family He did to lift me higher . . . That I might see as He sees. I completely agree with your words David! Very true!
On Nov 28, 2015 Vipul wrote:|
" In order to find our way, we must get lost." --An African Proverb