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Shin Terayama: Loving My Cancer

Welcome to Awakin Calls. Every Saturday we host a conversation with an individual whose inner journey inspires us and whose work is transforming our world in large and small ways. Awakin Calls are an all-volunteer-run offering of ServiceSpace, a global platform founded on the simple principle that by changing ourselves, we change the world to create a more compassionate and service oriented society. Thank you for joining us.

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. My name is Rahul Brown and I'm delighted to be hosting our global weekly Awakin Call from Berkeley, California. Welcome and thank you all so much for joining us. Every story is the beginning of a conversation within ourselves or with others. Stories have been the agent of meaning and personal transformation across time and culture in part because of the way they can shift our hearts and minds. The purpose of our weekly Awakin Calls is to share stories from incredible change-makers from around the globe. Through these thoughtfully guided conversations, our special guests share their personal stories to inspire us through their actions, experiences and insights. Our hope is that these conversations will plant seeds for a more compassionate and service-oriented society while catalyzing our own inner transformation. Behind each of these calls is an entire team of ServiceSpace volunteers whose invisible work allows us to hold this beautiful space. We're grateful to them and to all of you, our world wide listeners for helping us co-create this space of deep listening and dialogue.

Today we are fortunate to have a remarkable luminary with us, Shin Terayama, dialing in all the way from Tokyo, Japan, whose personal journey and extraordinary life have been both inspiring and tremendously impactful, particularly to the ServiceSpace ecosystem, and I hope that we will have the opportunity to cover that on this call as well. Thanks again for joining the call. Let's get started with a minute of silence to anchor ourselves into the space.

Welcome again to our weekly Awakin Call, today in conversation with Shin Terayama. Here's how the call works. In a few minutes, our moderator Richard Whitaker will engage in a deep dialogue with Shin and by the top of the hour we'll roll into Q&A and circle of sharing where we'll invite all of your reflections and questions. I've opened up the queue right now so at any point you can hit *6 on your phone and you'll be prompted when it's your turn to speak. You can also e-mail us at This week's theme is ‘Loving one’s cancer’ which to my own limited understanding, as someone who has never actually had cancer, is the process and skill and faculty of so fully loving life that there is simply no room for anything else. That even these things that seem apparently horrible or life-threatening or fatal can be gateways to awakening a greater strength of acceptance and the wholeness and ultimately the holiness of life.

From Shin's story, it will also seem that this kind of love leads to a complete psycho-spiritual transformation wherein the deeper purity and higher consciousness lead to an awakening of many subtle faculties which lay dormant in most of us. We have the extremely good fortune of having Richard Whittaker as our moderator today. For those of you who don't know Richard, he's the publisher of works & conversations which features in-depth interviews with artists from all walks of life and offers these interviews as a gift to the world at Over the course of his career Richard has probably interviewed hundreds, if not thousands of remarkable people and so it's especially delightful to have him anchor this conversation with Shin.

Richard, thank you so much for joining us and please feel free to share some of your reflections before you introduce Shin and open up conversations.

Richard: Thank you. Thank you so much Rahul. Well, I'm just delighted to be talking with Shin today and I feel so grateful for the involvement of ServiceSpace that's now eleven years old for me, and all the amazing gifts that have come my way through ServiceSpace. I certainly expanded the sort of people I talk with beyond artists, beyond what people ordinarily think of as artists, to all kinds of people who are living creative lives and are in touch with the deeper parts of themselves and these deeper energies. Shin, I had not heard about Shin, and so like I'm sure all of you, I read the summary of his story with great astonishment, and thought my goodness, this is extraordinary.

This is something that we need to hear about. The realities that Shin's story exhibits need to be known by everybody really in this world, considering the kind of situation we're in in this world, we need to be connecting with some other levels and other realities and other energies in ourselves for the sake of everyone as we move forward in life on this earth. So I'm not going to try and say anything further about Shin himself as I think we've all read the summary of Shin's story.

Rahul and I had the pleasure of speaking with him a little bit a couple of days ago on Skype and I was just really touched by Shin's energy. So Shin, thank you so much for being here with us, staying up very late. In fact, I suppose it would be good to say that you're awake very early in the morning, 1 am in Tokyo or at least Tokyo time in Japan. I know you're not in Tokyo. But are you feeling OK, even though it's 1 am?

Shin: Yes, I'm OK.

Richard: That's good. Did you go running yesterday at all?

Shin: Yes.

Richard: When we spoke, I think you said that you run every day.

Shin: Yes. And watching the sunrise, even if it's cloudy. Looking at sunrise is a wonderful moment for me that still I'm alive.

Richard: Do you look at the sunrise every day?

Shin: Yes. Almost every day.

Richard: What a beautiful practice.

Shin: Yes. Yes. When I had cancer, I thought today is my last day. So, I always say to the sun, today is the last day to meet you. Can you hear what I am saying?

Richard: Yes, I can hear what you're saying. And that makes every day very special if I can realize it might be my last day, right? Listen, can you talk a little bit about your life before the cancer appeared. You were I think a successful professional man in Japan, isn't that right?

Shin: Yeah.

Richard: Would you just talk a little bit about how your day to day life was in the years before this transformation?

Shin: OK. Hello, everybody in the world! Richard, good morning. Thank you very much for giving me a chance to talk to you about my experience of healing my cancer by myself. I am talking from Japan. I had wonderful experience of loving my cancer 35 years ago. I'm now 83 years old. So a long long time ago, at that time, I was 48, I think, so, actually I sent my love to my cancer. This is my most most important message to you.

I studied solid state physics in the University and joined Toshiba and then stayed at Toshiba more than five years and returned to the University as an assistant to the Professor. Then I found my own job, at some kind of venture business. Then at that time, it was the beginning of the computer business. Many companies failed to introduce computers to their companies. Mostly it's not hardware, mostly software. So I was in charge of such kind of job, helping companies and people change their systems in the company. I worked very hard from morning till night, and sometimes I stayed at my company and continued my job; almost everyday I slept only a few hours, 2 hours or 3 hours. Sometimes in a sleeping bag.

Richard: Wow! Oh my gosh, that's amazing. 10 cups of coffee a day, it says somewhere in your story.

Shin: Yes! So I'm always fighting a sleepy head (laughing)...

Richard: I think it would be interesting to hear the story of the kind of life you were living. Working so hard and you were very driven. And I think having a lot of success, having so little sleep. And then in 1984 you're diagnosed with cancer. So everything comes to a big stop, a huge stop. The cancer stopped all that, that life you were living. Massive interruption.

Shin: Yeah. Ok. Before I was diagnosed by the doctor in 1984. I felt my body was something, very tired. My shoulder was very stiff and very stiff neck. At first I went to the hospital to check, but nothing was found by medical check. So at that time my friend advised me to join Yoga class and I did it. After the lesson finished, the yoga teacher pulled me aside and told me, "Your aura is very dirty. Your chakra was closed". I didn't know such kind of words, chakra or aura because I didn't see any of aura at that time.

And then blood came in urine. It's the beginning of something horrible that happened in my body. Then I went to the hospital to check. At that time a very young doctor, he checks, he taps by his hand and touched my body, usually they don't do that, and he found something very hard, sticking out in my body. And he is in internal medicine. He asked a specialist in this field. And a lot of a doctors came to me and said, it's urgent to have an operation, in a very small voice. I listened to that, but I have lots of job that I don't like to enter the hospital to have an operation.

Richard: Of course.

Shin: And about 4-6 months later, my body deteriorated.

Richard: You went through an entire regimen of treatment, surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, right?

Shin: This was before that. So I decided to go to hospital for medical treatment to remove the tumour. And after that, chemotherapy, then radiation, so my body was very weak. Especially white blood cells was decreased, less than 1000. I couldn't walk easily and something happened in my body. I thought I would die soon. Because there was 6 cancer patients in my room. I didn't know I suffered from cancer. Because my wife told me, you don't have cancer.

Richard: Wow, so you didn't know you had cancer?

Shin: Yeah, I didn't know that. It's my wife's style. At that time, maybe 20-30% of cancer patients was told that they have cancer. Many people were afraid of the cancer. All the people died by medical treatment.

Richard: Sounds like there was a policy of not letting people know that they actually have cancer.

Shin: It's Japanese policy. All the people were not told they had cancer in the body. Many people were very afraid of the cancer in Japan. And about 37% of all deaths were cancer patients, #1 cause of death and every year, it's increasing in Japan. My body recovering from cancer is very unique. And many people listen to my talk in Japan.

Richard: Yeah, so at a certain point you were told or somehow you learned you had cancer, right?

Shin: Yeah that's right. My body was getting deteriorated. One night, I had a very strange dream. I was watching my body in the coffin. And I was looking at some funeral from afar.

Richard: Yes yes, in the dream you saw yourself in a coffin in a funeral right?

Shin: And it's a very big sign. And suddenly, my senses increased strongly, so I can stay in the bedroom, especially at night.

Richard: Can I interrupt you and ask you about that dream? That dream was extremely unusual, right? It was a very different dream. And it's interesting to me to hear about that because that dream sort of, was maybe, in a way, the first place where a different kind of connection with reality took place, would you say?

Shin: Yes. Very strange dream.

Richard: Yes, very strange, very different.

Shin: Yes, so on this morning, its this dream around 4 or 5 in the morning. Several days later I did an adventure to get out of the hospital bed, and went to the rooftop of the hospital, because I wanted to have a very fresh air. So I drove the blanket off from the bed and started heading out softly, sneaking away from the nurse station and went to the rooftop of the hospital. I lied down and had wonderful air outside. I wanted to have fresh air.

Richard: Yes because by then your smell was very very sensitive right? You needed to get into an environment that smelled good and have fresh air.

Shin: Yes, of course. Around this time the nurse was trying to find me because my bed was empty and my blanket wasn't there so the nurses tried to find me and finally, she came to the rooftop of the hospital and she said don't do, don't do. She was very afraid of my jumping off of the rooftop.

Richard: She was afraid that it was a suicide.

Shin: And so five nurses came to my side and by stretcher, I returned to my bedroom again. At that time the nurse reported to my doctor that he has a very serious condition. He tried to jump off from the rooftop. And the doctor came to me early in the morning around six thirty and was very angry, and she suddenly said, “Do you want to return to your home?” “Oh, yes,” I said, and I finally returned to my home.

Richard: When you're on the roof at the hospital, when did you first get up on a roof and see the sunrise, when did that happen?

Shin: This happened when I returned to my home. While I was staying at the hospital sometimes I use to see the Sun but not Sunrise. So when I returned to my home I couldn't eat anything. I could not drink tap water because tap water smells very bad and I tried to find the good water for me. And that means mineral water. Also at the same time, I secretly drank my own urine.

Richard: That was, that was better than the water with the chlorine right?

Shin: Yes

Richard: That's amazing!

Shin: But I learned that from Robinson Crusoe where they have a wreck and they drank urine. When I was small, I read through such kind of things. Before my disease, I had experienced fasting three times. So I knew that to not eat anything is better than to eat something and so I did fasting for 10 days. Only water and nothing to eat and my body was getting better.

Richard: That's amazing, isn't it? I mean that with no food and just water and you're out of the hospital, now you're getting better. No medicine, right? No medicine, either.

Shin: The other most important thing is my family has a wonderful loving energy. They gave me so much. So I felt so much wonderful stationed in my family. So this is completely different. So the hospital kind of gives a business kind of feeling, like for example, checking the temperature, always checking-checking-checking. I don't like such kind of systems. It is like a business battlefield!

Richard: Wow, Wow.

Shin: Then, one morning I saw sunrise coming to the room, very bright. I realized that I am still alive. So next morning, I tried to see the sunrise, because the sunrise is the evidence that I am still alive today. Isn't it wonderful?

Richard: Yes, every day that you see the sun, you're all still alive.

Shin: Yeah. Then I did it. The sunrise was so, so beautiful. Unbelievably beautiful.

Richard: Something happened with the sunlight. You're describing this thing and it is really amazing -- can you tell us what happened with the sunlight?

Shin: Okay. So watching the sunrise, I have a very deep breathing, inhale and exhale, inhale and exhale, inhale and exhale. It was so wonderful. Fresh air makes me so happy! And I decided to see the sunrise tomorrow and I did it. The next morning I said to the Sun, I am still alive, I am very happy. It's very funny. It's a wonderful conversation. And very deep breathing in and out, and I felt so much happiness.

Richard: And the joy! I mean I can hear what you're saying is the depth of experience of the joy of being alive, with the fresh air and sunlight.

Shin: Yes, it's a joyful moment for me because I'm still alive, and I am getting better than yesterday without any medical treatment, without any painkiller.

So I will say something about my painkillers. When I returned to my home, the doctor prepared many painkillers for me, because I had very strong pain. It had metastasized from right kidney and I was in a lot of pain, because of which I could not sleep. When I was in the hospital I always asked the nurse, I always asked the nurse -- please give me pain killer. When I took so much painkiller, my mind was very funny.

So when I touched parts that had pain with my hand, I felt that this is my child. I felt sorry as I felt I created my cancer and till now I did not know that I was suffering from cancer. I made my tumour by myself. It's my responsibility. So I felt sorry. This was my baby. This is a very important message and I could sleep without painkiller, when I returned home, and I threw all the painkillers into the trash. I stopped.

Richard: Your relationship that you began to have, this new relationship with your tumour and you touched your body, and you loved that it had arisen in you, and that helped you, and the pain went away -- is that what you're saying?

Shin: Yes.

Richard: Wow.

Shin: In your country, such kind of words like ‘Pain, Pain, go away!’, mostly that mothers tell their babies when they have pain, they say Pain, Pain, go away! It's the same one. I focused on that. And every day I didn't take any medicine, only drink water and urine and no food. And I was getting better. Isn't it wonderful?

Richard: Yes. By that time that you are now describing, you had already accepted death and you were no longer afraid of dying -- is that right?

Shin: That happened, when I saw the sunrise, when I was watching, I had a very strong fear, because I have three children with my wife and I thought I would die soon, leaving my family.

Then I had very deep breathing and also I recited my favourite poem by Kenji Miyazawa and in that there is a very beautiful sentence, "Not being greedy, never being angry, one always keeps inner calm and peace.” Isn't it beautiful?

Richard: Yes!

Shin: So this is a very long poem, it takes about a few minutes to recite, and during that time, I found every day is your last day, but I am still alive! So everyday, I said to myself -- today I am still alive. Tomorrow I don't know what will happen. And the Sun smiled at me and I smiled back.

Richard: Oh, the sun! Yeah, I’m sorry. Go ahead.

Shin: Yeah, and during that time I had some 'Ommmmmmmmm" breathing. I found chakra of body, chakra was vibrating by doing such kind of thing.

Richard: You were experiencing something in such a deep, profoundly, deep, deep way. So deep, what you're describing.

Shin: Yeah. Then, I found all 7 chakras of the body. Because from chakras, we introduce energy and go out. Chakras is an energy center, of the energy going out and coming in. So, every morning, I activated by doing this poem. Chakra is very, very important to live healthier. And when it is getting active, much more active, I'm getting much happier and much healthier. So, chakra is very important. And I could do it by myself, without any medicine. Chakra is is very important to heal cancer.

Richard: Well, to be open enough to allow that energy to penetrate inside, and to receive that energy, right?

Shin: Yes. And I continued every day; when it's rainy, when it's cloudy. I'm still doing such kinds of things. So, about 2 months later, one morning, a very strange sensation in my body. When the sun came up, the sunlight came into my heart circle. It was amazing. Very strong energy came into a cave in my heart. It's connected by head to tail. Now I use the word ‘kundalini’ but then I didn’t know that. It's like, like an astrological sex (chortles), as you know, you are a man, so you can understand the male sensation of sex?!

Richard: Right.

Shin: Yes, so I enjoyed it very much. But after I had that experience of doing that, when I returned to my room in the second floor, from upstairs, eight floor, I returned to my apartment. I saw everyone's head shining, everybody's aura, of everybody!

Richard: You saw everybody's aura. Is that what you are saying? Wow. That must have been... this whole story is just amazing. What an amazing journey.

Shin: Then, I could eat macrobiotic food. Small amounts I could eat.

Richard: Would you talk about your first bites of food, when you hadn't eaten and then when you started to eat -- would you, would you say what that was like? To first eat food.

Shin: During my disease, I always ate meat, meat, meat. So my face was very puffy. But after I changed my diet to macrobiotic, without any meat, any fish, my face was smiling! Unbelievably changed. So I practice it very much.

Richard: That, that, you changed your diet now? Um, when, when you were doing 10 days of just water, nothing. Ten days water. Then finally you started eating food again.

Shin: Yeah.

Richard: Was that a special moment when you first started eating food?

Shin: Yeah.

Richard: I only ask, I only ask this question, because I've never talked to anyone who could understand an experience that I once had of, in a very extreme situation in my own life, where I had a bite of food, and it was Cabbage Coleslaw and my experience was that the food was sacred.

Shin: Hm. Hm. Hmm. It wasn't food, it was apple juice...small amounts of apple juice. About 10th of the full amount, I drank for 18-30 minutes. Slowly, slowly, I digested. And when I completely drank the apple juice, my body was something energetic, by only small amount of food! Initiation of body. Maybe it's like for the baby when first milk that was given, by mother's milk. It's some kind of sensation, like a small baby has, of food.

Richard: Yeah. Wow.

Shin: Then I could walk slowly, slowly, and still continued watching the sunrise. So getting better, I started walking. Five minutes and then 30 minutes, then one hour walking, and my appetite increased very strongly. So I went to some forest space in Japan for a week, a month. So there I had very wonderful air, wonderful food and Yoga class, and I enjoyed very much.

Richard: Can I ask you about, I mean, I think you've been sharing with us some of the most intense parts of your experience, coming out of the hospital, discovering breathing in this deep, deep way and also just discovering the sun and the deep relationship of the experience of the sun, of air, breathing, of water, and then, then you got back to your cello. And I'm thinking of the cello because again, this is another kind of vibrations that were so important, right?

Shin: Yeah. Yeah. Because I stopped my cello for more than 25 years, due to my busy days. I tried to practice my cello every day and the cello sound healed me so much. So when I give a talk to many people, I say this is my medicine, without any side-effect. I know the side-effects of chemotherapy and radiation so much. And by operation, I lost my lung, kidney; still have only one kidney, but I'm enjoying myself everyday by practising cello! Cello sound heals the body very much. Amazing power the cello has!

Richard: Oh, I love the story of, of feeling the vibrations and the healing. Somewhere, I think you described that the vibrations and the sound of your cello was like detoxifying every cell.

Shin: Yes, so at the same time, I went to the public baths, because my body is very cold at that time, and public baths has lots of water. Warm water, for a half an hour and after bathing in the hot water, my body sweat so much. Sweating is cleansing my gland so much. And also, when I didn't eat anything, I was constipated. I know it's not by medicine at all, by doing such kind of things and by doing sweating and by urine, my condition is getting better and better. Unbelievable!

Richard: Wow.

Shin: And also I had a hot bath and a cold bath. Hot bath is giving my skin so nice a soak...So when I stayed in the hot bath, and after I get out from hot bath, I had a very cold water, from head (to toe). It's working. It's also activating.

Richard: You discovered, you discovered all kinds of different ways that, that healed you and you were following your, your own intuition, right?

Shin: Yes. Intuition, intuition. So I think the most important message from my experience in healing cancer is that cancer is easily healed by using natural healing power. Now, in Japan, people having cancer, they try to do such kind of things, and many people heal by themselves without any conventional medicine.

Richard: This is happening in Japan, that people are following your example? They're, they're following their own intuition. Is that what you're saying?

Shin: Yes. All the time I'm saying, please don't imitate me. Please find yourself, try to find the best way. That adventure, wonderful adventure, please enjoy your adventure to heal your body!

Richard: This is a real adventure, a wonderful adventure -- that's a nice way to put it. Adventure is also discovery and opening to new experiences, I would think.

Shin: Yes, Richard, you are so wonderful person! So every time, I found something in my way of living, changing my lifestyle. And so when people ask me how to heal my body, I say congratulations! You are the man to heal yourself. You have the power in your body and please feel something, a healing power in your body -- that is very important. But if you can feel, you can heal by yourself. It's a key. So I usually say healing occurs by feeling something.

Richard: Healing occurs by feeling something, is that what you said?

Shin: Yes, yes.

Richard: By feeling something, that's important because a lot of people have difficulty in feeling things.

Shin: Yeah, so when people are very afraid of something, so much horror, healing power is very low, but when you feel are so happy, you feel so much healing power inside. Please enjoy! Enjoy! Joy is a very wonderful crest of living activity. Enjoy is a very beautiful word! Enjoy it! I continued such kind of lifestyle for three years and a half, later after discharging from the hospital.

Richard: Would you talk a little bit about your experience at Findhorn?

Shin: Yes, I was invited as a speaker at the conference. People gathered to the conference, they knew that Shin is recovering cancer by himself. And they came to me and everyone hugged.

Richard: They all wanted to hug you!

Shin: Yes, in my custom, in Japanese customs, we don't have any such kind of system.

Richard: It's no hugging in Japan?

Shin: No, hugging is spreading by itself. Yeah, I think so. It is very funny -- when people find me, the come to me and say hug me!

Richard: When I was looking at you on the screen, a couple of days ago, I would love to hug you, Shin!

Shin: Wow, thank you very much.

​​​​​​​Rahul: I would love to hug you both as well, and I'm sure many on the call would as well, but I wanted to remind the folks who have dialed in, that if they have got questions for Shin, they can press *6 to get in the queue and I will take those questions in order. Maybe we can do one more question, Richard, before we transition into Q&A.

Richard: Oh, goodness, my God...

Shin: After I return from Findhorn, I went to hospital to check my x-rays. Cancer disappeared.

Richard: That was the trip to Findhorn and the hugging and after that, no more tumors?

Shin: No more tumors, and never happened again.

Richard: That's amazing and you know in ServiceSpace, of course you know this by now, Shin, because you've been to a ServiceSpace conference, Gandhi 3.0. ServiceSpace has really initiated me into hugs too.

Shin: Four months later, I went to AMA, held by American Medical Association Conference and I met Andrew Weil. I have very strong connection to American people. Five months later in India, Bangalore, the first international health and medical conference was held and I met Andrew Weil again. On my trip to India, a very smart boy was sitting next to my seat. He was asking me about so many things. He was going to India from the US through Japan with his family -- father and mother and his other brother. So, at that time his mother had very strong pain in knee, and I asked him is it okay for me to do something? He nodded, so I asked his mother to touch by my hand. By ten minutes healing, but this made her knee pain disappear.

Richard: Did you say you put your hand on her knee?

Shin: Yes. Later I knew that in Bible, Jesus Christ did such kind of things. And twenty years later, he was invited to a Japanese Peace Convention. And before he was coming to Japan, he asked Saionji-san to find the person whose name is Shin and who healed cancer by himself. And Saionji-san, Mika-san was like, yeah, I know him. Unbelievable!

Richard: Are you going to share who these people were? The people you were talking about, the woman and the boys?

Shin: Yeah, he came to Japan last year and he asked me about coming to India again. At that time I visit India 5 times, so this is my 6th time to India. It's a retreat, Gandhi 3.0 retreat, it is some kind of workshop. I enjoyed very much. The course is very, very, nice; giving, giving -- unbelievable power! Wow, unbelievable power. All the organizers, all of the people were smiling, smiling, smiling...

Richard: That's beautiful! The boy was Nipun, and Harshida, his mother and Viral, his brother. Well, Rahul, what should we do here?

​​​​​​​Rahul: Well you know that was beautiful and great to hear from Shin as well, because for those of us who've been around a long time, we know that -- Shin, that encounter with you on the airplane was a pivotal moment in Nipun and Dinesh and Harshida auntie's life. In many ways, I think we owe a lot to that encounter for all of the beauty that has come out of the ServiceSpace ecosystem since then, because it was really one of the moments that blew their minds, and I think what you shared with them in that plane ride shifted their journeys in a big way, and we've all been beneficiaries of that. So just so grateful for the way that you showed up and the way that you've lived your life. We've got so many questions coming in online and on the call, and so I want to allow everyone to have that opportunity to share. And so we'll just go to the first question, if that's okay?

Shin: Yes, please.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Okay, go ahead -- 650712

Caller: Yes. This is Wendy in Half-moon Bay and just a beautiful call, and I just loved hearing Shin's story. Just a comment and a question. The comment is that I just loved hearing about the cello, playing the cello and I found personally that singing has been so much, such a healing practice for me. So, music just really strikes the soul and the body of healing. My question is this: you were talking about the joy, and how important that is in healing. And I love that. Would you also talk about patience? I think that when any of us have pain, have illnesses where we are not feeling well, we just want, you know -- please do something to get this over with now. But from what I was listening to, in your call, you were also talking about patience and I'm wondering if you could address that? Thank you.

Shin: Okay. Shall I answer?

​​​​​​​Rahul: Yes, please.

Shin: Okay. So looking at the patient with your eye, with loving mind and hug the patient -- even young infant will smile back. It's a coordination to create pain and coordination to decrease pain. It's an emotional contact. Emotional contact cannot be explained by conventional scientific method. So it is beyond the science. Your consciousness is needed to the patient. So I always say to the patient: Congratulations! You're suffering from cancer. You create by yourself and you know how to create. It's not the effort. Change your lifestyle and have (inaudible). Is okay?

​​​​​​​Rahul: Yeah, thank you for that explanation, Shin. The, the word she was thinking of was patience -- like waiting, the quality of waiting and accepting, rather than patient, which is a sick person. But there's actually a question that came in on the webform that's related, and it's from Adonia who says: I am wondering what one can do if they cannot love their illness. I suffer from a condition, but I am too afraid to love it. So what can someone do if they are unable to love their illness?

Shin: For mother, for the baby, when you are hurt it’s not...Baby cries. Baby starts to cry. But when you have a loving consciousness in the mind, baby stops crying. So mother's mind is unconditional love. I think -- try it!

​​​​​​​Rahul: That's beautiful. So to just see that, to hold everything that you create with a mother's bond is the secret to being able to love it.

Shin: Yeah.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Cool. Beautiful. Moving on...

Shin: It's unconditional love, unconditional love. Not just love, unconditional love. It's so powerful. It's only give, give and give.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Right. That's beautiful. I'm going to move to the next question, which I think is Dimple, if I'm not mistaken. Or no, sorry! 6267792 -- Go ahead.

Caller: This is Louise for Michael. I also have a cancer now and I have been doing some work on this and my question is about the urine. I had never heard this before. How did you just...Could you tell me a little bit more about how to think about whether that could be something? I never thought about that. Thank you so much.

Shin: So, I recommended (that) to clean your blood. So urine is a symptom containing everything. Try to drink a cup-full, a small amount of urine, taste. Once your condition is very nice, urine has very good smell. But when you are very tired, smell is not so good and taste is not so good. So try it by yourself. It's a wonderful symptom, wonderful result within it. Is it okay for you?

Caller: Yes, I, I, I'm curious. I will see (laughs). I don't know. I'll try!

Shin: (laughs) Best medicine, that kind of thing!

Caller: Okay, thank you.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Shin, there was another comment from Thu in Toronto who asks, she says: Thank you, Shin for this special call. I'm also learning how to love my cancer and will try your advice of meeting the sun every morning. Do you still hold your smile conference and when is the next one? I would like to come.

Shin: Wow. Wow. Maybe this September? I'll be in the United States to join the conference called ISSSCEM held in Kansas City. I'll be there and if somebody wants to meet me, I got some place.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Wow. That's very generous of you. We may just have many, many new flights being booked to Kansas City at this point. I'm going to move to the next question from the call and I think this is Dimple. Go ahead.

Caller: Hi Shin. This is Dimple here. It was really good to know about your journey. It is a very inspiring journey. So I lost my husband two months back to cancer. He was 27 years old and he got colorectal cancer two years back, and by the time we got to know about natural healing and unconventional methods of treatment, it was too late for him to get cured from cancer. We did try. But after one and half years, we got to know that chemo will not save you. And these are the things that will cure you, by meeting survivors who followed unconventional treatment and got themselves cured.

I lost him, unfortunately, two months back and now I strongly believe in natural healing of body, mind and soul. And I'm in the United States currently and I'm going to India in one month. That's where I live -- in India, and I really want to help other patients who doesn't know...when you get cancer, you get panicked and you just go to the doctor and take chemotherapy, even if you know that that's not the cure. But you just don't know what to do. So how to help those people who will need some guidance in this, and how to make them believe that natural treatment and unconventional treatment is going to cure you.

Shin: Okay. Everybody is sure to die. See -- die, by yourself, by your effort! People may be very surprised to hear that, but everybody is sure to die. But soul does not die. Get some book, get the book of the dead -- it's so helpful for people. And if the people cannot do by themselves, finally please go to doctor and pay the money. But if you can heal by yourself, you don't need to go to hospital or other people's help. Your body's your body. It's not other person's body. So all the annual (health checkups), that's the special job of a medical doctor (laughs). Is it okay?

​​​​​​​Rahul: It sounds like you're just saying that we're all going to die and so let's make the best effort we can, while we're alive and seek the help we need, if we're unable to make the effort on our own.

Shin: Yeah.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Beautiful. We've got a comment from Rashmi Kumar in Mumbai, India, and she says: I've also overcome cancer and I am so glad to be on this call today. Wishing Shin Terayama many more sunrises and a virtual hug from Rashmi in India. Beautiful. Thank you, Rashmi.

​​​​​​​Susi LaPointe from Truckee, California says, she has a comment. She says: For the lady who is afraid to love her illness, perhaps she could start by loving the fear that is afraid to love the illness rather than trying to love the illness itself. And then we've got another question, this time from Pavi, and let me see if we can go to that. Are you there, Pavi?

Viral: Hi, this is Viral actually. Shin-san, good to hear your voice after 20 some odd years. I was on that plane that you were describing earlier, from Japan to India and I'm Nipun's brother and it is so joyful to hear your voice again, after so long. And as Rahul and Richard have said, the ripple effects of that, your unconditional love and generosity on that plane trip have been, have been tremendous and they've not only changed, certainly so many other trajectories, but I just wanted to express my gratitude for the trajectory of my own life that was shifted so drastically, by your, your unconditional love and the way that you shared about your own journey. And in fact, it's, I was just reflecting as you were talking today that, I myself am undergoing some health conditions right now that are serious, and I feel so grateful because I feel that the inspiration of your example and...

Shin: Thank you very much! So, you are still alive and when you are alive, give love, unconditional love! That's enough.

Viral: Yeah. It's a powerful lesson because, you know, I think that that is something that you are living with your example, and even though we haven't seen each other since then, or talked to each other since then, that example still resonates for me today and I do try, try to apply it in my own small way.

Shin: Oh, good. Good. Go ahead with intuition.

Viral: Yes, intuition. Very much so. Very much so. So I have to say that before I pass it to Pavi, who's going to ask a question -- the way we reconnected with you is because Pavi, my wife was, we were at a bookstore and she saw the book 'Spontaneous healing' by Andrew Weil and she said, "Hey, isn't that the book Shin is in?" And I said, "Yes, but I haven't been able to find him in it." She opened up that book and it happened to be page 100 and there was your story, and it so happened that in this few days after that, Nipun was going to Japan and she said, "You know, you must tell him to find Shin somehow." And then of course you’ve shared the rest of the story. So, here's Pavi.

​​​​​​​Pavi: Shin-san, it is so wonderful to hear your voice after hearing all about you, all these years from Viral and Nipun and the whole family. It's been, you know, a small dream of mine to have Viral be able to say thank you to you. And that dream came true today! So just very, very joyful. It's been amazing how, you know, to just every...The first time I met Viral, I think I heard the story of how this man with a cello on an airplane, who was a physicist, you know, opened their minds and hearts in a new direction. So, it's an amazing, you know, this life is amazing in terms of all the ways, all the threads connect.

The question I had is, is related to your, your relationship with the sun, which is, you know, I feel like that's such a profound part of your story. And I just, you know, recently I feel like I've, I have that, that sense of wonder, you know, at sunrise especially. I feel like there's almost something that pulls me outside and something that can almost bring tears to my eyes each morning as that sun comes up. And I was wondering in your experience what, what is the power of the sun? What, what is that healing potential and power that it holds. Can you speak a little bit about that?

Shin: If there's no sun, we are not living on the Earth. The truth is that the sun always gives to all the animals and all on the earth. So give thanks to the sun every time. And even it's clouded, you can find the power coming from the sun. Thank you to the sun. Thank you to the sun. That's enough. You think so?

​​​​​​​Pavi: Yes, yes, yes. That definitely resonates.

Shin: Yeah, yeah. Thank you.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Shin, just hearing you share that makes me grateful for the sun and as I looked out, here in Berkeley, the clouds cleared for a moment. And the sun shined through as you were speaking. So beautiful coincidence. We also have a comment from a Celine in Canada who says: Dear Mr. Shin, I heard in a documentary, an oncology nurse say that sometimes dying can also be a healing. It felt true to me. Can you comment?

Shin: I beg your pardon. In Canada?

​​​​​​​Rahul: Celine from Canada is saying that she once heard from a nurse that dying can also be a kind of healing and she wants to know if you can comment on it, your thoughts on that.

Shin: I'm not sure about that, but everybody is sure to die. Until the people die, please live with smiling. I always say: Everybody's sure to die, Congratulations!

​​​​​​​Rahul: I just wanted to let folks know who are, who are on the call. they can still press star six to ask a question or email us And Trupti from India says: Thank you Shin for sharing your story. I fortunately had the opportunity to hug you in person at Gandhi 3.0. As a child, I had asthma and before few years I suddenly got an attack and then rather than going to a doctor or taking a medicine, I just observed my breath and realized that the emotion underlying my asthma was fear. And then since that day, the asthma was gone. Since then, I have not had any physical manifestation on my body, as I tune into the emotion and it gets healed.

Shin: Congratulations!

​​​​​​​Rahul: Beautiful. We also have a question from Gayathri who is asking: What do the Japanese scientists and cancer researchers think of your approach to healing cancer? Especially given the fact that you are a physicist by training, and very much part of their world, what do your friends and these scientists think about your insight?

Shin: Well, usually scientists is very stubborn. They have a very small area of focus, how they work, what they are studying. So they are not so much...So I ask the people to widen or to go to much higher consciousness. No use to say to the scientists. Scientists is very poor in consciousness. So when I meet, they need some help. Okay, I help you by my doubt. And if you tend your consciousness and have a meditation feeling, nothingness, you can see something true. It's very important to be quietness in the mind. So now in Japan, in certain people, or scientists, mindfulness is getting very popular; mindfulness is feel something in the mind, not knowing anything. Forget everything, and very quiet time they enjoy. Sometimes, they change the mind but it's very difficult. They want to write something on notebook. Forget it -- I usually say to such kind of people! They are very stubborn.

In the old thought, medical insurance is very popular. When from small child, if they suffer something, at once mother bring to the medical doctor to cure something and they have some medicines. Medicine is very dangerous. Conventional medicine is very, very strong, but at the same time, it's very dangerous, I think. Is it okay?

​​​​​​​Rahul: Yes, of course. Yes, of course. Thank you Shin.

Shin: Wonderful medicine is food. Good medicine is food. Choose it. Even for the small burn, choose the food. But our intellectual people have no such kind of a sensitivity to food. Sensitivity is to feel, it's an intuition. Contemporary people already forgot the importance of intuition. Intuition is to connect to the universe. Universe is the the entity of the sun.

So I'm leading a workshop called the smile workshop. Smile! Forget. Good. That's very tricky. But people change by working. Is it okay?

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So what do you mean by supporting?

​​​​​​​Rahul: Just what we can do to be part of what you're doing in the world and to add more strength to what you're doing.

Shin: Don't! Forget supporting! We are living in the same Earth, enjoying.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Beautiful. We can certainly do a lot of smiling and enjoying and loving, and be connected to you and your energy in that way.

Shin: Yeah. Thank you.

​​​​​​​Rahul: We actually like to end the call in a similar way that we start, which is a minute of silence, but this time, silence in gratitude for all of the conditions that have come together to allow us to be together and the generosity and love that you've shared on this call. So what we'll do is take a minute of silence and collective gratitude and then I will unmute everyone on the call and we'll have an opportunity to do a collective thank you to you as well. So just one minute of silence.

​​​​​​​Rahul: Thank you. And now I'm about to take everyone off. On the count of three, we will allow those who have dialled in to say just a thank you in this wonderful, beautiful cacophony of gratitude. So here we go. On the count of three. One, two, three.

​​​​​​​Everyone: Thank You!

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